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K_B_G
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Ahoy Guys!

I am just curious to see how many of you use Goshmans/Tenkai Pinch effectively with Dollar Coins while working.
I have been performing a visual/clean three coins across routine for years based on Sankey, Wilson, Ogawa/Robbins etc.. Started with small coins then used half dollars and now working dollars, as I prefer them for all coin magic.

In terms of angles I find large coins are as sensitive as the deep back clip, but obviously limited to an audience in close proximity looking down on the hands, with a smaller coin the audience can stand further away especially on the thumb side facing outwards, the hanging of the larger coin can be seen from 1.5-2metres away from the sharp right side if clipped in right hand. I find that with getting into the pinch with larger coins you need, beats and strong timing for misdirection through visual cues/looks to left and right hand. Preferably not looking at hand when going in or out of pinch, or one beat after.. The 3 coins across has great logical covering actions which helps a lot.

I was just curious as to what routines you use this versatile grip for, and if any have braved the dollar and have some advice regarding back of the hand concealments that work well for larger groups. Technically speaking it works well for very close stand-up situations, with the audience in close proximity, with larger groups distance, I think the magic has to move to chest height ie 3 Fly, which is a whole other nut to crack.

Cheers,

Kyle
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You could always turn your body to the right (assuming you're right handed) and put your hand in a vertical position, but that's probably not what you're looking for.

If you use the goshman pinch efficiently you can aim the coin sideways, so it kind of lies flat against your fingers instead of pointing downwards, improving your angles a whole lot.

Also, head over to coinvanish.com > Videos > Three Way Crossing, to see Dan Watkins conquer this pinchy coins across with dollar sized coins!
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Thanks Orb, will check Dans video out.. it is snug against the fingers, and pinched so it is hidden from the palm, difficult at first to strengthen the grip with a heavier coin, but works fine after practice.
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I have the hands of a little girl so I have to stick to my half dollars, sorry I could not be of more help.

Have you seen the way Shoot Ogawa uses the deep back clip in his 3 coins across routine? Have you tried the retrival with the pinky, done with a dollar sized coin?
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I use the Goshman Pinch for Tenkai Pennies with quarters. The GP has the disadvantage that sometimes you can be peeking without knowing that you are. Since the move is admittedly for close-up viewing, and safer with smaller coins, I think working with the large coins at this close range is not really necessary or really justified.

Just my opinion. I do think it's better to be safe than busted.
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I'm terrible with the Tenkai/Goshman Pinch. My fingers just don’t seem to want to push together hard enough. I have practiced it to no end but still you can be certain that coins will drop out of the pinch every practice session. Thus I avoid the move and try to use alternate methods to hide the coin similarly.

Jim
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I believe that the thickness of the coin is more important than it's diameter. I learned this move from Sankey's revolutionary coin magic but I have modified it a little bit.. My little finger is totally flat (like the other fingers).
The advantage of it is that my hand looks more natural. The disadvantage is that a small part of the edge can be viewed from the front .. Rotating, though, my hand a little bit to the right the edge is absolutely invisible..
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I agree about the thickness. Thinner coins work better. With dollars I tend to use the pack palm and with halves I tend to use Tenkai.
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I'm with J-Mac in that my goshman pinch is just horrible. I can get it in easily enough, but I either flash or drop the coins when I get it out.

But I do practice it sometimes and when I do, I enjoy using it with Vinny's gosh-pien-chen move. It's a nice simple, add-on that makes for a really nice coins across.
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I've been doing the Tenkai pinch for a while, but only recently with silver (Ike) dollars. One thing that helps (me) with the dollars is to move my apparently empty hand (with the coin clipped behind) in a fluorishy way as if showing my empty palm to everyone. This makes it sort of an "in transit" move which covers any edge flashes. But as I practice with the silver dollars, those little flashes are fewer and farther between. I've also learned to bring my index and second fingers slightly forward and rotate my palm very slightly (sleightly?) inward, which also helps. I do agree though, that the thickness of the coins makes a great difference. Palming coins work very well here.
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J-Mac
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I usually fall back on the old thumb palm. For some reason I can go back and forth between front and back thumb palm instantly, while as soon as I go into a Tenkai that coin is in great danger of succumbing to gravity and hitting the floor!

Jim
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While I don't use goshman pinch with dollars in any routine, I have practiced it somewhat. I've found that tilting the hand down really helps defeat the gravity problem. Also reduces flashing. Otherwise the coin (for me) is too heavy to hold and make it natural looking. In performance I would never use it and prefer (and use) deep b--k c--p for that kind of situation.

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Sean
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