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There is an annual talent show locally that I've done a mentalist act for , but this year I was thinking trying a hypnosis act. I've done trance work in individual sessions and a few gimmicky type pieces, I am practiced in induction, but not for a short show. I want to do a real act for this show (if it is possible in the time restraint). Acts are usually given no more then 10 minutes. is there any type of bit possible in that short a time? If not and I can bargain for a longer segment how long should I ask for 15-20 minutes?
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The Dr Q act in Ormond McGill's encyclopaedia, or a variant, is what you are looking for. You could get it into ten hilarious minutes.
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I think the problem is we forget that whilst the simpler aspects of what we do is for us not that remarkable. For the audience even the light and heavy hands test, magnetic fingers, and the most amazing thing of all the actual induction, are of themselves totally awesome and can themselves be almost the whole entertainment. I love the way Anthony Galie uses this to make this induction get laughs and gasps.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hzylkf6Yce8&NR=1&feature=fvwp
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I don't think you could get away with doing an induction then leading them off stage as a show. Plus if you watch that clip he had done an induction previously...you wouldn't get away with that in any of the venues I used to do. I doubt Anthony does either he has a full show I assume.

Ok for the impromtu guys but a paying gig?
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Yes that video looked more like RE-induction not first-induction.

At one stage with the woman he was having difficulty with he said "Do you remember how relaxed you were a few minutes ago?"

So at this show would it be possible to pop on and do the selection and then take them somewhere safe to induce them all ready for your show? Not the best approach but...
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The film was edited. He did an induction of some sort before the clip and probably some suggestion tests too. In fact I think he uses the baloon tied to the arm to start with and has quite a long pre talk before.

His induction probably takes half the show. Although it works for him and his target audience I find it really boring. You couldn't do a 10 min show from watching his method.

10 mins? Why not a good mentalism piece? Forget hypnosis.
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I agree with what most everyone else has said. You can get a lot done in 10 mins but it's unlikely to be all that impressive in the context of a comp.
I reckon you have two avenues open to you:
1. Rove around beforehand and identify some somnambulists you can work with, re-inducing them on stage. (Maybe even give them amnesia for previous inductions.) Then a few funny group skits and maybe one or two individual ones.
2. Mentalism, but suggestion/influence themed effects which leave the audience wondering whether hypnosis was involved. (Volunteer seated, relaxed etc.) but if someone actually goes under, treat it as a bonus Smile
Either way, make sure you allow time for a full wake-up (probably offstage.)

That's how I'd play it. One or other of those.
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Actually Anthony had done a light and heavy in the audience. He uses 'you are feeling relaxed' as part of that process, "To get that arm going up into the air I wan't you to relax." it isn't what most stage pro's would call a re-induction because what most people recognise as an induction hasn't taken place, although I think you induce when you say sit up and they do. At least for the somnambulists.

However as usual MP you are missing the point entirely. This isn't about how good or what You think of Galie, Who in my opinion most working hypnos can't get close to the mans charm and presentation skills.

The question wasn't how to do a full show. It was how not to.

Dr's doing a small local talent show in the states not a pub in Graiglieth. The audience is Entirely different. In fact so different I really do think that your style wouldn't work in that situation MP as you seem to be a one audience pony, and it's great to have a niche, so you are right.

Shrub, there's no need do them in advance, to an Audience the induction IS the Hypnosis. When Derren Brown does a handshake interrupt the audience gasp. I think it's a bloody shame that thanks to some overly vocal operators that even those who should know better - magicians who do a bit of hypnosis and who get applause for chasing aces or rubber balls for gods sake - are forgetting that one doesn't need to be comic, or over the top, or just rude, to make something entertaining. And with somnambulists a group induction can be done in a few seconds. But I digress.

I have Done a ten to fifteen minute slot, a test, an induction, smells and making numbers disappear and woke them and stormed it in several showcases in the midlands over the years for some of the hardest and most belligerent club secretaries and got krap loads of work and could do that in any venue anyone here has ever done, anywhere or time and still storm it. And would win any talent show.

It isn't what you do, never has been, it's about how you present what you do. In my opinion.

And lets face very few people here think what they do is worthy of either showing us video or bothering to use their actual name or photo so people they are advising can look them up and validate what they think is 'performance' and then judge whether that is what they want to do. Or not.
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I agree, Jon. What we take as not very impressive because we have seen it a million times before, would probably be very interesting to an audience. It's typical Hypnotists thinking like Hypnotists and Magicians thinking Like Magicians when we should all be thinking like audience members as they are the ones watching the show! And it leaves you with more material to do in a final, larger and hopefully longer show.

I also like quicknotist's idea of the mentalism/hypnosis fusion: You can take it any way it goes and always have a guaranteed WOW ending. (I know it's the safe way that I, and I'm sure many others, started in hypnosis. All the fun and practise with none of the risk of total failure)
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If you can get someone to pay you to do an induction in 10 mins then great go for it. I agree that Anthony has a show that works for him in a particular market. Probably a very lucrative market. I don't miss the point I can see that it just bores me. The reason it IS like a re-induction is because his heavy and light is more or less an induction too. He does a pretalk before that also. So before he even gets near the end of his induction 10 mins would be lomg gone. While I don't disbelieve you that you say you have done `10 mins hypno shows I think doing some good mentalism is a better option. Especially for someone with little exprience of hypnosis. Which seems to be the case by the original poster.

I wouldn't rule out doing a Anthony style show if I thought there was a market for it here. Its just that at least up here hypnosis is still regarded negatively with business people. Or was last time I probed into it a while back. We are very reserved up here.

By the way I have only ever done 2 maybe three pubs at the very start of my career. The reson ~I stopped wasn't because of snobbery but because the venues themselves didn't lend a good place for good shows. My venues were anything from holiday camps, minors social clubs, theatres to universities to military. I did edinburgh medical faculty ball 4 years in a row. I have also taught and used hypnosis with companies with Mercedes Benz Sabb and Harley Davidson dealerships. Edinburgh Festival was hardly a pub it was a major venue.

I was once ofered a 6 week tour of Ireland. I turned it down since one night I would be in a catholic club and the next a prodestant. I was assured I would be looked after very well. But I just didn't like the idea. It was about 15 years ago and there were still some troubles going on at the time.

Currently the PGA are looking into a pilot programme I created for golfers which may become part of their degree. Hardly a one pony audience. I have two presentations for them next month. I was considering a quick demo of overt hypnosis. But I have decided against it as it is too risky in terms of installing fear and the wrong message. Sime of the audience will be members of clubs where they paid £60k upwards for memberships. Plus the owners of these clubs may be there also. It is too risky.

But if you can get away with an induction go for it. However for someone with little experience it could be disaterous.I would go for the safer bet. Again he wouold have to guage his audience and what they wanted to pay for.

I am saying where I am from on the whole an audience would feel short changed if all you did was a very quick induction and missing finger. I personally wouldn't do it.
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But I do agree audience love inductions. I have a very different style of induction. Its the first thing people talk about after they see my show. You can see it on youtube in front of 1000 audience. The pub is somewhere I go AFTER a show.

Also one of the things I discovered during the lead up to the festival shows after speaking members of the public while putting up posters was that there is still a very negative mindset and fear about hypnosis with many people. I heard numerous stories how they knew someone who volunteered on stage and was never the same afterwards.

I even got that with a local radio station where the dj said one of his friends said they became reclusive and anxious after being on stage.

A load of rubbish but it still shows you there is a negative with a major part of the public reminent from the media attack in the 90s.
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"You can see it on youtube in front of 1000 audience."

I would like to see that. How do I find it?

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I have only ever done 2 maybe three pubs at the very start of my career. The reson ~I stopped wasn't because of snobbery but because the venues themselves didn't lend a good place for good shows.

I'll second that. I did a pub last night, and when I was announced not a single person looked up from their pints. When I called for volunteers I got three. When the promoter said they'd see me again, I said not in my lifetime.
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"You can see it on youtube in front of 1000 audience."

I would like to see that. How do I find it?

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECAXaa-BwxY


http://www.shrinkhypnoticshows.biz

I have another induction that's as twice as fast but unfortunately not got it on film. But it gets a huge reaction and talked about after.
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On 2011-02-11 08:50, mindpunisher wrote:
I have only ever done 2 maybe three pubs at the very start of my career. The reson ~I stopped wasn't because of snobbery but because the venues themselves didn't lend a good place for good shows.

I'll second that. I did a pub last night, and when I was announced not a single person looked up from their pints. When I called for volunteers I got three. When the promoter said they'd see me again, I said not in my lifetime.


And out of those 3, did you get any good responders?
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I'm sure the original poster will make his own mind up.
I'm not saying it can't be done in 10 minutes. I've already outlined to a few here (by PM) my approach for a 10 minute "bit" I did for Smirnoff some years ago. Seven or eight times the same day, for different audiences of sales reps as part of a 45 minute brand promotion.
BUT I had a specific purpose - to induce someone while still seated in the audience and make them unable to say "Bourbon" (Not hard, I know.)
The guy who introduced me, under my direction did a lot of the "safety" pre-talk for me (and built expectancy.)
I heard it was the most talked about presentation of the day but that was in the context of a trade show.
I'm just saying to North, my feeling is that what's possible in ten minutes of hypnosis (including time taken for people to make their way to the stage) would be unlikely to win a talent competition in front of a US audience and judges who have probably seen a lot of hypnosis shows.

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I have only ever done 2 maybe three pubs at the very start of my career. The reson ~I stopped wasn't because of snobbery but because the venues themselves didn't lend a good place for good shows.

I'll second that. I did a pub last night, and when I was announced not a single person looked up from their pints. When I called for volunteers I got three. When the promoter said they'd see me again, I said not in my lifetime.


And out of those 3, did you get any good responders?

One. It was one of the worst nights of my career. And it was my first show in my home town in more than a decade. Must be bad karma there somewhere.
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I got good responders but the space and the set up views for the audience and the general behaviour from audiences in pubs do not make for a good show..They ar noisey don't pay attention as Tony said. They try and sabotage the show etc etc you name it.

I respect Reg for doing what he did at the trade show he mentioned. And anyone if that's what they want to do. I personally prefer to do "shows". And is probably a gig I would never accept. I just wouldn't enjoy doing it. Everybody to their own. Likewise I don't do bars because you can't do what I call proper shows and its not how I want to be perceived by the public anyway.

I try to use hypnosis and find markets in completely different ways if I'm not doing shows. But everyone to their own thing.
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Have you tried Car Parks, MP? They are the new concert halls!

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One. It was one of the worst nights of my career. And it was my first show in my home town in more than a decade. Must be bad karma there somewhere.


Well one is better than none I suppose. (Still if there had been none, at least you could have left!)
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