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On 2011-02-11 21:10, Shrubsole wrote:
Have you tried Car Parks, MP? They are the new concert halls!

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They probably are for some on here..
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MP I love your induction, I should, apart from the music I've been doing handlocks and drop backs for 30 years. Lets see, Robert Halpern was the first I saw do it, then Webster, Newton, Mike Howard, McKenna, Powers, Delavar, Tim Naughty, Ian Dee, Bolton, even JRakaAS does them. Hardly unique however.

As for the long term reaction of people feeling 'bad' after stage hypnosis it's hardly preposterous I've seen people who have suffered the casual 1 2 wide awake and it can leave bad after effects. To think it can not is in my opinion careless.

I think the reason for the 'fear' is people using words like outrageous in their publicity. But what do I know.

Pub shows are fine if it's set up as a show. Admittedly did my last one a lot of years back but audiences are only trouble if you let them be in my experience.

Parties I pubs can be a bit of a bind as well, like this one, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9oq7xjRxiM

You know all I'm reading here is can't be done's and hardly a single, right how would we do it. That says lots about the nay sayers and very little about the art.
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I looked at that clip then the one from Justin Tranz.
I asked myself if there's really a such great difference between the styles of a Hollywood hypnotist and one from The Boilermaker's Club in Motherwell?
I've decided the answer is probably yes. Just a tad.
Bob Burns is the creator of The Swan.
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An irate Scotsman shouting in an incomprehensible language doesn't require Hypnosis, I've been to Glasgow on a Friday night! (and lived!)

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Winner of the Dumbringer Award for total incompetence. (All years)
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Jon I am not saying it can't be done. I just think there are better options especially for someone with little experience of hypnosis. And its something I probably wouldn't attempt. Everybody to their own style. If you say you could do it then I believe you.

I think the fear in the general public is a learned fear due to the splurge of anti stories in the press, on the news and tv programmes talking about the claims of certain people who say they sufferred harm. I don't think it has anything to do with the word "outrageous" although I agree certain venues and certain people will not like that. Or adults only type shows. But in general I have found that to be ok. Just the same as some people would choose not to go see Chubby Brown because of the content.

Halper was one of the first real big hypnotists in this country. At least in my life time. He was a total legend up here as we were all growing up as kids.
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MP Compete carp. You did say it couldn't be done, as good as anyway.

Apart from McKenna in 96, who won his case, and Daemon - forget when - who lost his, there has hardly been a noticeable mention of the art at all. The worst press the business ot was mid 90's when 'He who shall not be named' was telling the world he hypnotised women to shagg them.

Of course billing ones self as outrageous and posting youtube vids of strips will put Joe public off. The majority that is apart from your claimed best audience of uni students peed out of their brains.

Halpern was the master who modernised hypnosis. I know Ken Webster claims that but Halpern was giving people onions and xray specs while most were still wiping their snotty noses on their shirt sleeves.

hey Shrub nothing wrong with Glasgow. I lived there from '74 to '76 before moving to East Kilbride and then then back to nearly Glasgow in Busby. left in 85. Give me the Glaswegians any day over some other Scotts ;-) Except my Ex-of course. And of course the Soctts here are mostly okay, especially Bobser with whom I have broken bread - - - three table and and a bottle! What a finger buffet that was! LOL

I've been in the Queens Park Café on a Saturday night and lived, ne problem. Okay so the friend I was with told me if I spoke to anyone He would kill me - England had just won 1-0 at Hampden.
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I just want to thank all of you for your kind words and thoughtful debate. Just a note, this is not a judged show. Just a local talent fundraiser that I've done a mentalism act for already in the past. It is always well received I wanted to do something different and don't have many tricks that would do well for an audience of 200-300. Mos of my effects are close up, parlor at best, so I kind of feel magic is out, unless they get a big screen and present it ala Copperfield. I've done trance work as a reader and for past life so am familiar with inductions, and I've done some hypnosis work as entertainment. Just not as much to consider myself extremely proficient, but enough o feel comfortable building an act.
looking over all the suggestions I may end up either scrapping the idea or doing a pseudo hypno act. Thanks again guys for all your ideas please keep them coming
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Ok Jon I don't think it can be done but I am going to appease you anyway. If you say it can be done then Im not going to argue. I still don't think it would be that good not as good as you say it would.

And way back in Haplerns height there were talks and rumors of hypnosis being dangerous its always been there even before the 90s. Its got nothing to with it being outrageous or not. In fact you will find that the majority of the public prefer that type of show. That has always been my experience from venues I hav done when other hypnotists have been mentioned. Isn't that what Ken Webster has been doing for all those years?


The people who told me the stories hadn't even seen my poster at that point--- the radio presenter hadn't heard of me at that point. None of them had seen the youtube clips.

Halpern always used outrageous in his posters.

But it doesn't really matter where or why ITS THERE! And personally I don't believe hypnosis is completely safe anyway. But that's another old argument. I don't know where you were Jon but there were dozens of press media just before and after Mckenna won his case. I was even pulled on to TV to defend Hypnosis against claims made by the Medical and Dental Hypnosis association.

Maybe you don't watch much tv. Or read many news papers. Or maybe you just have a very focused awareness.
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Erm,I don't think there IS such a thing as a focused awareness.
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Actually MP it's Ken that's outrageous. That is Ken is funny ka Chbby Brown. He has never got his subjects to do outragoeus stuff. Not beyond the knuckle anyway.

The McKenna thing was in the 90's man. And if you got your attention focused You'll see I remarked on lots of stuff goig on around there with He Who Shall Not Be Named. Lets see..... yup just checked.

I wonder if we apply some NLP dogma here, "That has always been my experience from venues I hav done when other hypnotists have been mentioned." and say the map isn't the territory - that was written by a bloody bad mapist|! I would take that to mean that your comment about certain audiences in certain venues prefering an ott show says frig all about other hypnosis shows and a lot about the venues and audiences. Guess it's all about perspective ey?

PS - I know it's cartographer. I just prefer mapist okay!
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Just wanted to quote this because Reg gave me great advice when I had to do a 15-20 minute gig as part of a local performance festival.

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On 2011-02-11 15:14, quicknotist wrote:
I'm sure the original poster will make his own mind up.
I'm not saying it can't be done in 10 minutes. I've already outlined to a few here (by PM) my approach for a 10 minute "bit" I did for Smirnoff some years ago. Seven or eight times the same day, for different audiences of sales reps as part of a 45 minute brand promotion.
BUT I had a specific purpose - to induce someone while still seated in the audience and make them unable to say "Bourbon" (Not hard, I know.)
The guy who introduced me, under my direction did a lot of the "safety" pre-talk for me (and built expectancy.)
I heard it was the most talked about presentation of the day but that was in the context of a trade show.
I'm just saying to North, my feeling is that what's possible in ten minutes of hypnosis (including time taken for people to make their way to the stage) would be unlikely to win a talent competition in front of a US audience and judges who have probably seen a lot of hypnosis shows.

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