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scottds80 Special user Victoria, Australia 730 Posts |
Fluoride is unique as a water contaminant because it is added as medication to
prevent dental cavities. It is the only example of mass medication in the world. There is a strong lobby in Australia to fluoridate water, despite the fact that 98% of western European countries have discontinued it, including Germany, Belgium, France and most of England. Furthermore, the practise of fluoridation has be...en firmly denounced by many prominent scientists, including Dr J. William Hirzy, a senior member of the US Environmental Protection Agency, and Nobel prize-winner Dr Arvid Carlsson. These scientists argue that the decreased incidence in dental caries in the last decades cannot be attributed to fluoridated water alone, and that furthermore, fluoride’s benefits to teeth is from direct application, and not from ingestion. Fluoride is known to cause damage to bone and teeth called fluorosis, and it has been strongly associated with cancer, arthritis and nerve damage and metabolic disease.15 It is also believed to increase the absorption of aluminium. The use of fluoridated water for baby formula is of particular concern to nutrition experts.16 All major cities in Australia now have fluoridated water. Fluoride can be removed by metallic resin, reverse osmosis and ionisation. Fluoride is also use as an antidepressant in America, it is found in prozac... If you drink tap water your on antidepressants.
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Freak Prodigy Inner circle NYC & LA 1805 Posts |
Eh.
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scottds80 Special user Victoria, Australia 730 Posts |
Look, I don't particularly care. I think it's funny how some people bother complaining about it personally.
At least it keeps the chops in check.
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irossall Special user Snohomish, Washington 529 Posts |
From what little I know about Fluoride (at least I think I know) is it's negative aspects come into play if the source of the Fluoride is from the wastes in the processing of Aluminum. Fluoride can be extracted from many different sources but it seems that here in the United States most of our Fluoride is from Aluminum because it is the cheapest and easiest way to get it.
As most people know, Aluminum carries it's own health risks. That's my take on it. I also believe that the people, not the Government should be the decision makers in this matter. Iven
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stoneunhinged Inner circle 3067 Posts |
I'm with Iven.
People can buy toothpaste with flouride in it. Leave our drinking water alone. The water here is really good, BTW. The Harz mountains are about fifty miles away, and big mountain reservoirs supply us with really tasty, flouride-free water. I use Colgate, and have no worries. |
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Destiny Inner circle 1429 Posts |
Every dentist I have ever asked has been pro flouride in water, and there are plenty of what I think are reputable organisations that recommend it: The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, World Health Organization, U.S. Surgeon General, American Public Health Association, European Academy of Paediatric Dentistry, and the national dental associations of Australia, Canada, and the U.S.
Dr Hirzy is not so much a senior member of the US Environmental Protection Agency as of it's employees union - an important distinction. |
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rossmacrae Inner circle Arlington, Virginia 2475 Posts |
Every argument here uses misleading information as a "scare tactic." The real thing you need to be scared about in your drinking water is DIHYDROGEN MONOXIDE!!!
Despite the danger, dihydrogen monoxide is often used: as an industrial solvent and coolant. in nuclear power plants. in the production of styrofoam. as a fire retardant. in many forms of cruel animal research. in the distribution of pesticides. Even after washing, produce remains contaminated by this chemical. as an additive in certain junk-foods and other food products. Stop the horror - Ban Dihydrogen Monoxide! |
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
I can only say that my personal observation is that younger family members have many fewer cavities and it doesn't seem to be related to diet. So with regard to dental health, I think fluoridation is a positive. OTOH, other effects of fluoride to indeed seem harmful.
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Al Angello Eternal Order Collegeville, Pa. USA 11045 Posts |
What a rediculous thing to worry about, get a life.
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irossall Special user Snohomish, Washington 529 Posts |
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On 2011-02-11 10:07, Al Angello wrote: Do you not worry about anything? Besides, to talk about something does not mean one is worried. In Josephine County, Oregon Ferric Chloride is put in the city water supplies to drag particulates to the bottom of the tank. I know this because I worked in PCB Fabrication and every month a truck would come to drain of the wasted Ferric Chloride to take to the Water Department. I was told by the driver where it was going and how it was to be used. I checked this out for myself and found this was true. I am not saying that this stuff is harmful but I think we dump enough stuff in our water and as said before, one can purchase (very inexpensive) their own Fluoride if they wish. Iven
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HerbLarry Special user Poof! 731 Posts |
Worry makes you old and who drinks tap water anymore?
You know why don't act naive.
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
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On 2011-02-11 12:35, HerbLarry wrote: When you can buy water that someone else took out of their tap, bottled and shipped to your supermarket. And when you refrigerate it, it very nearly replicates the taste of your own tap water!
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
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On 2011-02-11 12:34, irossall wrote: One of the arguments in favour of fluoridation is that most people on welfare, unemployed, or homeless, have no other option than to receive fluoride through the tap water. They can't afford or do not have access to other sources (at least, not to the extent the dental community recommends). Where I live, in Calgary, a fairly conservative city, the city council talks about getting rid of fluoride in the water every couple of years. I was surprised to learn just today that after years of hemming and hawing, the city council finally voted to remove it from the water just 3 days ago. No plebiscite or referendum this time, and apparently no expert testimony was made to council, they just voted 10-3 to remove it (2 other council members, including the Mayor, were out of town at the time). No cost savings is anticipated, because equipment has to be retrofitted or changed so that fluoride is no longer added to the water, and any freed up money that is not spent there will go towards a program to help poor kids who may need fluoride. Apparently this may be worse for the kids than simply getting fluoride in the water as it is now (e.g., because some of the other ways of getting fluoride (e.g., the pills) are much more harmful to the health than the fluoridated water way could ever be). I have no strong opinion on the matter myself. I tend to think fluoridation is a good idea. I recall how when I was a kid it seemed like everyone had so many cavities. Nowadays, it seems most kids have near cavity free teeth. I have no data on this, that's just how it seems to me. Curiously, the two people I know who are solidly against fluoridation are both nuts. One is a medical doctor, but his interest in herbal remedies and the like seems a little extreme to me. He's not crazy nuts, but once in a while I really do wonder about his level of competence. But the OTHER guy is a well known loony tunes sort of character. His being AGAINST fluoridation is the sort of thing that makes me think the pro-fluoridation side is probably the correct one.
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RS1963 Inner circle 2734 Posts |
Even though fluoride is in prozac. Does not mean that drinking water with fluoride in it that you are being unwillingly subjected to using prozac. That is an old scare tactic that is completely wrong. Fluoride does nothing to change a person's mental state, that is a fact. It's easy to believe such scare tactics but when you already know the facts. These attempts by some become much more than laughable
I'm not saying that we should or shouldn't have water that has fluoride added to it. But am saying that some of the so called facts on either side of the fence aren't facts at all. |
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts |
"One of the arguments in favour of fluoridation is that most people on welfare, unemployed, or homeless, have no other option than to receive fluoride through the tap water. They can't afford or do not have access to other sources (at least, not to the extent the dental community recommends)."
This, to me, actually is an argument AGAINST it. It takes away their choice in the matter. If they can't afford other sources of flouride, then they probably can't afford to buy non-flouridated water. That is, if they DON'T want flouride in their water, they're screwed. Why is this a job for government in the first place? I know that I, personally, ask that of everything, but this is something that, I think most, would have sense to question. Heck, the simple fact that there is so much debate on it says it certainly is not something for government to decide for everyone. Simply put, shouldn't people have a freaking choice?
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Whit Haydn V.I.P. 5449 Posts |
Let's take the iodide out of salt!
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
For conspiracy buffs: The A-Bomb--Fluoridation Connection.
Disclaimer: there are absolutely no citations in this article. http://www.fluoridation.com/atomicbomb.htm
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Al Angello Eternal Order Collegeville, Pa. USA 11045 Posts |
Iven
In all honesty I drink distilled water, because we have very hard water, and tap water would clog up my expresso machine.
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Destiny Inner circle 1429 Posts |
Balducci brings up another advantage - not only is public dental health improved but the crazies have something to do. The anti-fluoride people here seem to have some relation to the anti-vaccination brigade so they're a dieing breed.
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Al Angello Eternal Order Collegeville, Pa. USA 11045 Posts |
I'm with Whit
Lets take the germ out of our wheat.
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