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1tepa1
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Hi guys. I didn't know where to post this so I thought this would be the right plase for it.

Here is a quick video of my classic pass: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KVifb48aZ0

Please also give me some advice.
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You are making a classic mistake with your classic pass. The classic pass was never intended to be invisible, but to be done during a moment of misdirection, which you are not providing. Your classic pass is quite visible, which isn't good. You need the misdirection.
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Yeah, I quit trying to have an invisible CP a long time ago. A little misdirection, a larger motion to cover the smaller, does the trick.
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I believe I read from Vernon (someone correct me if I'm wrong) that the pass should be executed the instant the hands come together. As was said above, you should be doing some larger/misdirecting movements with your hands, then bringing them together momentarily to do the sleight.
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On 2011-02-12 23:17, Father Photius wrote:
You are making a classic mistake with your classic pass. The classic pass was never intended to be invisible, but to be done during a moment of misdirection, which you are not providing. Your classic pass is quite visible, which isn't good. You need the misdirection.


I did that video to demonstrate my pass not to demonstrate my misdirection. Of course when I use it in a real life I always try to do it in an off beat.

It may be never intended to be invisible, but it still can be nearly invisible.
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What are you guys talking about? This guy has great misdirection! His video is so dark you can't see a thing !

Seriously all you Youtube posters. Please review your video before you put in online? Pretty please?

Ciao for now

Erik
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1tepa1 you shake your hand way to much! you can make the pass with no misdirection, check Jason England pass 1on1
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On 2011-02-15 09:35, mdaniels wrote:
1tepa1 you shake your hand way to much! you can make the pass with no misdirection, check Jason England pass 1on1


I have seen Jasons video. Infact I do have it myself. But even when he does it I can still see the halves change places. The shaking is called rocking and it prevents the spectators from seeing the change of the halves. I may have rocked the cards a bit too much, but that camera angle wasnt the best possible.
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Some constructive criticism: Do the sleight in a routine just to demonstrate the move in context. I'm not saying your pass sucks, just that it is hard to evaluate a disembodied sleight (they were made for a purpose).

Your hands are together for too long, and the rock is a little too big. You don't need to hide the top of the deck--my experience shows that non-magicians do not see the top of the deck changing, but they will see left fingers moving or the cards moving under your right hand...so tilting the cards forward SLIGHTLY will help hide this.

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Dude,

You do the move better than most, way better. My praise nor the criticism of others is particularly valuable. It's up to you to refine the move. It's your responsibility to get better. Think about what folks say, keep the smart stuff, trash the rest. You get to pick!

I think the advice to put it in the context of a trick is really important.

The sleight is angle-sensitive. Do you know where it's sensitive? If not use a mirror to see and remember at what angle packets flash.

Don't worry about doing something to direct their attention away. Smile, look them in the face, relax, (my only criticism is your elbows were tense and looked a little awkward), say something witty and in mid-sentence bring your hands together, and do that tiny little flourishy riffle.

Again, I thing you've got the move down far better than most. Good job! I'd like to see you use this in an awesome card trick, without the music! I hate music in magic videos that has no bearing except to fill the void. (My problem, not yours)

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On 2011-02-17 22:06, kentfgunn wrote:
Dude,

You do the move better than most, way better. My praise nor the criticism of others is particularly valuable. It's up to you to refine the move. It's your responsibility to get better. Think about what folks say, keep the smart stuff, trash the rest. You get to pick!

I think the advice to put it in the context of a trick is really important.

The sleight is angle-sensitive. Do you know where it's sensitive? If not use a mirror to see and remember at what angle packets flash.

Don't worry about doing something to direct their attention away. Smile, look them in the face, relax, (my only criticism is your elbows were tense and looked a little awkward), say something witty and in mid-sentence bring your hands together, and do that tiny little flourishy riffle.

Again, I thing you've got the move down far better than most. Good job! I'd like to see you use this in an awesome card trick, without the music! I hate music in magic videos that has no bearing except to fill the void. (My problem, not yours)

KG


Thank you mr Kent. I have been watching your videos for a quite some time now, and I understand that your knowlege about magic is much greater than mine.

I have been working on the pass for about 3 years, and I must admit that my performance was not as good as it could have been. I was in a slightly akward position, and that made my arms a bit stiff.

Let me give an example how I cover the pass.
Lets take for example one sandwich routine I do.
After they have replaced their card back I direct their attention to the aces by saying something like " here we have the ace of hearts and the ace of diamonds. Wich one would you prefer?". And whe they are thinking I do the pass.

I have discovered that the only weak angle is your left side or if someone is watching from below. And if you turn to th left and do the pass while saying something to someone to your left you should be pretty much completely covered.

I will see if I can do a video for you, although my english isn't too good.

I would be glad to take any suggestions about making my pass better that you can give me.
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Your journey to take. I have no advice. Unlike some, when someone does a sleight better than me. I should remember to stay silent.

Keep on,

KG
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