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Does anyone know if there are any differences between the books "Stewart James' Encyclopedia of Rope Tricks" and "Abbott's Encyclopedia of Rope Tricks by Stewart James" (other than the cost)?

I know both are over 400 pages and the more expensive one has 1500 illustrations vs. 500 in the other. I am more interested in whether or not the tricks are identical in both books.

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Yes there is a large difference, I use them both, and I like both of them.
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Al, thanks for the quick reply. I've recently added rope routines to my performance and couldn't believe what I have been missing all these years!

I have already accumulated a large amount of material on rope magic but was curious about the Stewart James book. I have his other books and am quite impressed with them and I imagined his "rope" book would also be great. The only thing holding me back was not understanding if there was a difference between the effects in one Abbott's book vs. the effects in James book since his name is on both. After all, I thought to myself, how many different rope tricks can one person review/teach? Silly me!

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IMHO the sources for good rope magic are the two books that you mentioned plus Karl Fulves "Self-working Rope Magic" book, and Daryl's three DVD set called "Expert Rope Magic Made Easy". There is more good stuff in those four sources than you can absorbe in a life time.

The rope magic that I do in my show is what people ask me about the most after my shows.
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Al, thanks again for the advice. I have two of the four recommendations. As a result of your input I will get the other two in question. Jeez, I hate to log onto the Café as it costs me money everytime!
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The Karl Fulves book costs about $5.
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Al,

I think you're right about the books you mention. I am not familiar with Daryl's 3-DVD set, but I am sure it is excellent based on one of his rope effects that I do have. In addition to Fulves, the rope effects in Tarbell's Course are also very well explained. The Fajuri edition of the Stewart James encyclopedia has a lifetime's worth of excellent material.

I'd also like to mention Magic Ian's excellent rope materials. I think his routines and his explanations of the effects and the thinking behind them are excellent. He has an ungimmicked linking ropes routine that is truly great.

I'd also like to mention Professor Spellbinder's e-pdf edition of Ted Collins's Panama Rope Trick. The performer's-eye view photographs are very helpful in demonstrating some of the basic moves you will need to adapt in the other routines.

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On 2011-02-16 07:22, Woland wrote:
Al,

I think you're right about the books you mention. I am not familiar with Daryl's 3-DVD set, but I am sure it is excellent based on one of his rope effects that I do have. In addition to Fulves, the rope effects in Tarbell's Course are also very well explained. The Fajuri edition of the Stewart James encyclopedia has a lifetime's worth of excellent material.

I'd also like to mention Magic Ian's excellent rope materials. I think his routines and his explanations of the effects and the thinking behind them are excellent. He has an ungimmicked linking ropes routine that is truly great.

I'd also like to mention Professor Spellbinder's e-pdf edition of Ted Collins's Panama Rope Trick. The performer's-eye view photographs are very helpful in demonstrating some of the basic moves you will need to adapt in the other routines.

Woland

The Daryl DVD's were a comprehensive explanation of almost every one of the classic rope effects. Daryl's use of a dark colored gimmick during some routines helps in the descriptions. 90% of the effects are not Daryl's but his encyclopedic credit of the moves and effects make this set worth the price.
Oh, and thanks for the kind words about my rope effects.
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Magic Ian,

You're welcome . . . but I think you just sold me on Daryl's DVDs . . .

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It was a double edged sword for me to like that set. On the one hand, it wasn't Daryl's stuff. On the other hand, as a tutorial it was nicely done. The problem with it, is that it is all rope and moves are repetitive.
Another great booklet on rope is Phil Wilmarth's rope book.
Of course if you want a study in "derivations" get the George Sands Ropesational and Sandsational ropes.
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Question; The big auction has an older edition (green cover)of Abbott's Encyclopedia of Rope Tricks. It has 498 pages.
The new edition has only 456 pages.

What is contained on those 58 pages of the older edition that isn't in the new book?
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Is this some kind of joke? My Abbotts Encyclopedia of rope tricks volume 1 only has 400 pages.

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456 + 58 = 514
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Oops, bad math.
Anyhow, here are the 2 listings...
New edition, 456 pages
http://cgi.ebay.com/Encyclopedia-Rope-Tr......649b9735

Older edition, 498 pages
http://cgi.ebay.com/Abbotts-Encyclopedia......565e0d1b
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Aha! Here's the explanation from magicref...

This edition was first published by Dover in 1975 and is a reprint of the third (1945) edition of a book originally published by Abbot's Magic Novelty Company. Also, the original text included an Illustrations section at the back, which duplicated the illustrations in the text. The Dover edition does not include this section. Thus, original versions of this text will reach near 500 pages.


This is volume one of the series, and two more volumes were released. Volume II was originally produced in 1968, and volume III in 1980 (publishing information from Genii Magazine's MagicPedia). An updated version containing all three volumes (with about 200 additional rope routines) has been released by Fun Inc./Squash Publications. This new volume is 456 pages.


http://magicref.tripod.com/booksjr/jamesabbottsrope.htm
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I have the first book which is the new Stewart James Encyclopedia of magic and it has 435 pages. I promise you

I have the second one (older edition) too, but mine has a blue cover. There may be a green cover version with 498 pages, and a blue cover version with only 400 pages, but my two books have 435, and 400 pages respectivly.

I have not looked anything up on the internet, I have both books on my book shelf.
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I am placing a wholesale order to Fun, inc., anyone want the Squash pub. of the James book, please pm me.
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Magic Ian,

Thank you for mentioning the George Sands books. I study those routines as well. He was a real innovator. It's very intersting to read the scripts, and see where over the years he decided to streamline and tighten them up.

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Aldo Colombini has some excellent material on ropes as well.
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Oh yes, Aldo has many DVDs on rope magic. You can find enough magic on his DVDs to last you 10+ years.
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Every single famous rope magician alive today has gotten their best chops from the great George Sands. Many rope magicians today are unaware of his influence on a whole generation of rope magicians. Just ask Richard Sanders, Aldo Colombini, Shigeo Takagi, Scott Alexander, or Daryl who taught them the moves that they like to take all the credit for.
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