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Hi guys;
one lady Ive hypnotized now reports dreaming very vividly about the experience. Previous to being hypnotized she says that she didnt normally remember her dreams and this has been a very noticeable change for her. The suggestions I gave her whilst hypnotized had nothing to do with dreams or dreaming, I did suggest number amnesia which she displayed. She also displayed complete amnesia with reference to the process of being hypnotized. This has me wondering wether the dreams are some sort of way for her subconscious/unconscious expressing that it liked being hypnotized but thats a whole other kettle of fish.

Another guy I know who has been hypnotized (not by me) reports being more "aware" of part of the back of his head ever since, almost as if a part of his head that had previously been asleep, had awakened.

Neither of these people say that these effects are something that annoys them, they simply report it as being a change.

In your experience, is this type of thing common place?
If so, what kind of changes have subjects reported?

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First signs of Schitzophrenia setting in. Don't worry about it so long as you didn't give them your number or do it in public you should be fine.
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I think hypnosis 'stirs' just li8ke any other mental or physical action.
About 25 years ago I went through the teachings and training of Jose Silva (The Silva Method). Every morning people entered the room saying saying things like 'I slept well' or 'I didn't sleep well' or I had this feeling to the left of my head' or 'I've started seeing the colour blue' or 'I smell cheese' (no comments please).
The interesting thing was how the course facilitator would answer all of these with the line: "Fantastic! Great that you're getting that. It happens a lot" and going on to suggest a certain 'stirring' or an activation of the subconscious, which was probably true (although I did suspect it was just a well worn line that always got the facilitator off any loooooooong explanation).
So... there y'go, Owen McGinty, "Fantastic!"
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In general this stuff happens because people expect SOMETHING to happen. You did not clarify enough what would happen after. All this is taken care of before you actually hypnotise them.
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I value your input Danny, the thing is that the lady in question was not a believer in hypnosis, and thought shed be impossible to hypnotize. Im pretty certain she wasnt expecting anything to happen!
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I read what you said Owen but even then I still think Danny is on the money. Even the biggest skeptic harbours an inner potential fascination, just waiting to be tweaked. And when that happens expectancy occurs.
And again, as Danny says, you made no pre-clarification which means that whatever they report back you get to say: "That's right."
You clever thing you Owen!
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She was expecting something even if that something was nothing! Now she has been hypnotised she is "looking" for things to attribute to the experience. After any hypnosis session if you say to someone "now you might have a lucid dream tonight" chances are they probably will. In fact I think you are right to an extent. I do think hypnotising someone can set off a process that goes way beyond the initial session, dreams of which can be part of it.

Bit like going to the gym for a workout. It kicks of a process where the muscle is renewed and built stronger after the workout.
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Exactly she wants to attribute things to it, even MORE since it worked. You have to clarify these things. As bobser says yea you can take credit for them, but for me that is acting too much like a mentalist or fake psychic. To each his own.
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You may also have genuinely kicked off a process.
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Thats a great analogy MP - and it sounds positive for the subject. Ill build that into my pretalk Smile
I was in two minds (ho ho ho) for a bit about you saying schizophrenia might be setting in!
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On 2011-02-21 13:50, mindpunisher wrote:
You may also have genuinely kicked off a process.


well know soon enough, I think shes a bit unhappy about two things:
1) not remembering the hypnosis
and
2) feeling a bit like a freak at a side show because all her friends want to see her being hypnotized and she doesnt like being the center of attention.

So Ill see her again when I can, hypnotize her again, give her the suggestions that shell
1) remember the previous session perfectly.
2) find any memory loss of the hypnotic experience normal, not worrying, a bit like not remembering what you were dreaming about
3) realize that she is not a freak and that it is not her that people want to see, nor is it me, it is the process of hypnotizing that people find interesting, nothing more and nothing less.
4) plus Ill build in your "mental workout" type analogy, say shes now using more of her brainpower than before....

Im open to suggestions from the pros/people with more experience Smile
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Owen you don't have to use these analogies they were just to explain things to you.

Here is the real problem. If she is not happy then its because there has been nothing "in it for her" as an experience. This is the big problem with playing around with hypnosis without learning further. At the moment you really don't have much to offer those that get hypnotised.

If I were doing a "demo" I would wake them up from the neck only and let them experience their body being in trance. I would also use an induction wehich I developed that would teach them self hypnosis simultaneously. So that at the end of the session they would be able to enter trance by themselves ad do simple self hypnosis. See something in it for them....

I might also kick off a process that would be fun for them and then guide them to a page online where they can download a few mp3s to practice further.


That way her friends would be eager to give it ago too because there is "something in it for them".

Plus you can get them to register for the mp3s and keep in touch with them.
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Great advice MP. I want people to enjoy it, not just entertain the onlookers. Im very aware that I have to be respectful with my subjects and until now, Ive limited myself to being happy that they say they are feeling relaxed when I emerge them, but Ill do as you suggest regarding the "demo".
Im going to get a webpage up and running and am producing mp3s at the moment.
when you say enter trance by themselves do you mean something like giving them an anchor to enter trance and another anchor to emerge themselves?

@Danny - I tend to agree with you, Ive already had the conversation about not taking credit for it with this lady. Ive explained (I hope correctly) that its not by any means something I do to her, its a communicative process requiring the interaction of two parties. I take credit for nothing.

thanks to all, this thread has really got me thinking.
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Wake them up properly. Or rater terminate the hypnosis.

Tell them simply that they won't be embarrassed by anything anyone says to them. Tell them that will sleep at the appropriate time and have the best sleep of their lives and wake with everything perfectly normal and feeling refreshed and happy.

It always amazes me the number of courses and books I see with no real wake-up procedure. In my book probably the most important part of the whole thing.

IF they don't remember it's because their mind doesn't want to. Tell her that's the way it is but not too worry. In my experience you give her back the memories, which you can no problems, a lot of the time they will not thank you and you open up a bigger can of worms.
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I would've thought that would be standard in all books and dvds that are supposed to be teaching hypnosis especially the stage type that includes impromtu or street. Just goes to show that most of the trainings out there are pure crap.

Another thing about wakening somebody up be careful of the suggestions you use. For example " and you won't go back to sleep until you are safe in your bed" might seem innocent enough. But if you are working in a holiday destination they won't be going back to "their" bed until they go home. They are sleeping in someone elses bed. Sounds anal but a simple suggestion like that could create some discomfort.

"You won't go back to sleep until safe in bed" would be the way around it by removing "your".

There are a lot of suggestions that can be taken literally and cause a bit of discomfort.
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Owen, the fact is that the hypnotic state (in spite of those who deny its existence) is therapeutic in and of itself. This last weekend I gave a training in self-hypnosis to about 100 people. One woman came up after a session and said that she came to the workshop in spite of having the beginning signs of a migraine. For those here unfamiliar with real migraines, they are far more than just severe headaches. Symptoms often include nausea, vomiting, intense light sensitivity, loss of balance, intense sound sensitivity and other symptoms.

This woman wanted to take the training and did not think that this would effect the migraine. She hoped that she could take enough of the training to get value from it. However, to her surprise, all the beginning symptoms of her migraine vanished during the session (which included several inductions). This had never happened to her before.

Unfortunately, I don't have access to the documents, however I do remember reading some studies showing that going into hypnosis can have positive effects, such as you have described.

Is it because people believed it would happen? Is it because it "kicked off a process?" Is it coincidence? Is it a real phenomenon of non-directed hypnosis resulting in therapeutic change? I don't know. Frankly, I don't care. I just know that it does happen and anyone who works will people will experience it.
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Apparently my original mentor told me a story where he hypnotised someone on stage. They just went into a deep trance and wouldn't respond. They wouldn't wake up either at the end of the show. After an hour or so she woke up and discovered that skin rash on her neck and chest had almost disappeared. Although it is ancedotal I have no reason to believe it didn't happen. I thinknn trance can kick off healing processes with little else needed.
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I would've thought that would be standard in all books and dvds that are supposed to be teaching hypnosis especially the stage type that includes impromtu or street. Just goes to show that most of the trainings out there are pure crap.

Another thing about wakening somebody up be careful of the suggestions you use. For example " and you won't go back to sleep until you are safe in your bed" might seem innocent enough. But if you are working in a holiday destination they won't be going back to "their" bed until they go home. They are sleeping in someone elses bed. Sounds anal but a simple suggestion like that could create some discomfort.

"You won't go back to sleep until safe in bed" would be the way around it by removing "your".

There are a lot of suggestions that can be taken literally and cause a bit of discomfort.


I always say "Go to sleep at the appropriate time, and awake at the appropriate time. Comes from doing loads of police, fire station and nurses clubs. The buggers would go off stage and go on night shift!
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On 2011-02-22 13:18, mindpunisher wrote:
Apparently my original mentor told me a story where he hypnotised someone on stage. They just went into a deep trance and wouldn't respond. They wouldn't wake up either at the end of the show. After an hour or so she woke up and discovered that skin rash on her neck and chest had almost disappeared. Although it is ancedotal I have no reason to believe it didn't happen. I thinknn trance can kick off healing processes with little else needed.


I had one like that, she said she'd been talking to her dead Grandmother all evening.
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