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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbp6umQT58A
A brief history of human enslavement - up to and including your own
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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HerbLarry Special user Poof! 731 Posts |
Very well put togther.
You know why don't act naive.
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stoneunhinged Inner circle 3067 Posts |
Rubbish.
It's basically a purely Marxist interpretation of history dressed up with Agricultural language. But Marxism it is. Hey Tommy--you were the last person I ever thought would be a Marxist. |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Why should you listen to me?
An excellent question, I can see we're going to get along already! First of all, I am completely unimportant in the conversation. In my podcasts and videos, I try to avoid opinions, and instead talk about proof and rationality. If the theories I propose are reasonable, and are supported by evidence, well and good, we have both learned something. If not, listeners such as you are quick to point out errors, which I receive with gratitude. This approach is fundamentally different from most "talk shows." I am a rigorous philosopher, and I will always bow to reason and evidence. This is not a show about my opinions, because who would care about those? -Stefan Molyneux
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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stoneunhinged Inner circle 3067 Posts |
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On 2011-02-23 10:23, tommy wrote: Well, rigorous philosopher though he may be, he is hardly original except for changing "master / slave dialectic" to "farmer / farmed dialectic". I suppose there is some originality in that, but it's hardly convincing in a post-Marxist world. History has refuted Marx (isn't that ironic), and dressing him up in a goofy metaphor hardly makes him worth resurrecting. What surprises me is how some libertarians can dive head first into the shallow waters of dialectical materialism without smacking their head so hard that they break their necks. Oh, I get it...it's the influence of Austrian school economics, which perversely accepts materialistic determinism without the fuzzy warmth of Marxism. I need a drink! You know, if y'all loved me you'd send me bottles of good American whiskey every February. Then, in March, I'll post with love and humor and toleration. |
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abc Inner circle South African in Taiwan 1081 Posts |
Why don't we all stop paying taxes and see how far things get before everything is a total mess?
I have the tax (argument, conversation, debate) often. The tax rate in Canada and in South Africa is roughly the same. I get something in Canada but I don't get anything in South Africa. I will gladly pay for Canada to be my master based on this clip. Yes, master Canada, what do you want? |
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
ABC funny you should mention such things. It turns out that Canadians are willing to pay for social responsibility:
From CBC Quote:
Far more Canadians than Americans believe climate change is real, according to a report produced by U.S. and Canadian think tanks....Respondents on both sides of the border were asked their opinion on a range of issues on climate change, starting with whether they believed it was real. John
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Well we have tried paying taxes and things are a total mess.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
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On 2011-02-23 11:53, tommy wrote: If you think things are a total mess because you paid your taxes, try not paying your taxes and see what happens.
If I were to agree with you. Then we would both be wrong. As of Apr 5, 2015 10:26 pm I have 880 posts. Used to have over 1,000
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
I am not sure how on earth my learned friend Jeff arrives at the idea of Marxism at all.
What Stefan Molyneux is talking about here is dispensing with government. He is talking talking of not Marxism but Anarchy. It seems to me.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
I watched about a minute and a half of that rubbish and knew where it was going and it really disgusted me. Anyone swayed by something like this is very easily swayed.
I am for a free internet but I know why some want to control it. However I am totally aganist internet control. Remember if it is on the net it does not necessairly make it right or wrong. It just makes it on the net because someone put it on youtube or some forum which will be watched or read by someone who will say. Wow did you read or see this? And all of a sudden those with the blank stares and spittle spewing from their mouth will start to quote it as if it were all true and a new concept has been formed. I can hear them now. We are all slaves because we can be frightened but animals can't, I saw it on the internet. Its true, I believe, I believe.
If I were to agree with you. Then we would both be wrong. As of Apr 5, 2015 10:26 pm I have 880 posts. Used to have over 1,000
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Said the ambassador from the Land of Nod.
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HerbLarry Special user Poof! 731 Posts |
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I am not sure how on earth my learned friend Jeff arrives at the idea of Marxism at all. Yeah me too but I didn't wanna rile 'im.
You know why don't act naive.
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On 2011-02-23 11:51, Magnus Eisengrim wrote: I think the article is a little disingenuous in first bringing out the percentages who believe, then claiming as a distinct category that Canadians "unlike Americans" are willing to pay for it. In both countries, the percentage of those who believe it's a problem but aren't willing to pay seems to be identical - 15%. When I tried my "sliding scale" of GW, my recollection is that you were somewhere slightly-to-moderately on the GW side...maybe 60 on my 1-100? Has your position moved significantly over the last year or so?
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
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On 2011-02-23 17:28, LobowolfXXX wrote: I haven't given it too much thought, actually. For a "yes/no" question, I would say that I did believe in AGW. The article points to the (surprising to me) willingness of Canadians to pay extra taxes to perform what is perceived to be an environmental duty. I was reminded of the item by ABC's comment about a willingess to pay taxes provided that there are benefits to doing so. John John
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts |
Um, how did someone mix Marx, with Austrian economics, starting from a video by an anarcho capitalist?
On the global warming front, so, if the majority are willing to pay for it, does that mean they get to force the minority to pay as well? Do they get to use force to extort money from the minority just because they disagree?
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts |
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On 2011-02-23 17:53, Magnus Eisengrim wrote: If they want to, then they should be free to. They just should not be free to make others, who disagree, pay as well. Just because some think that's the only way to possibly fund something doesn't make it right to force people to support it.
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
Not that Jeff needs my help, but what he actually said was
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It's basically a purely Marxist interpretation of history dressed up with Agricultural language. But Marxism it is. And in a later post, he clarifies Quote:
What surprises me is how some libertarians can dive head first into the shallow waters of dialectical materialism without smacking their head so hard that they break their necks. Oh, I get it...it's the influence of Austrian school economics, which perversely accepts materialistic determinism without the fuzzy warmth of Marxism. Jeff is accusing Molyneux of using Marxist history (derived from Hegel) as a means of supporting his position. I see nothing to indicate that he is adopting Marxist social or economic policy. John
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On 2011-02-23 18:06, gdw wrote: For this, in particular, or some general category, or are you in favor of an "opt-out" option for all government activity that requires funding?
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Peasants, slaves, robots, sheeple, labor units - let's not get anti-semantic about an almost self evident semiotic notion.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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