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I don't know if this is anarchy in action or the spontaneous emergence of popular government, but it seems like good news:

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As US officials struggle to understand the quickly unfolding events, a predominant concern is that chaos and civil war could emerge after Mr. Qaddafi’s one-man rule is dispatched – if he doesn’t manage to sow it himself first.

But Umm Ahmed, head of the management committee for Benghazi’s new transitional city council, has a message for Washington: Don’t worry.

“Yes, there are no police, no institutions. Law and order as defined doesn’t exist,” she says. “But in practice, Benghazi is incredibly safe. Safer than it was under Qaddafi. People are all volunteering, the banks are opening. We surprised even ourselves.”


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Jalal Galaal, a businessman who’s acting to bring together the city council and local interests, says businessmen and government officials started showing up last week at the courthouse – a focal point for protesters – asking what should be done.

“The guy who runs the gas pumping station that feeds the power plants here showed up and said 'I need help,' ” says Mr. Galaal. “We simply told him to get his people together and come up with a list. Wahda Bank said it needed protection. I think we sent a few guards, but once they saw things were safe here, they mostly organized things for themselves.”


Let's hope that things continue developing in a positive direction.

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Sounds good to me. So far, we're together on this W.
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I found this an interesting read

It shows that all our divergent opinions here hold some truth.

http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opi......541.html
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What's sad is how well they will work now will all be tossed aside once they write their constitution, and try to institute structure, pretty much ignoring the structure they created themselves without it being institutionalized.

In the mean time, things seem to work quite well. As long as they don't try to keep everything operating via *communism, they may be good.

*Communism CAN work, either in small communes, unto themselves, or on a larger scale, but only temporarily.
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Yes - what a shame they won't want to live in La La Land.
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US sending warships.
Okay, I don't like it.
I heard a Libyan on the radio (yes one isolated person means nothing but FWIW) who says the protesters don't want US interference, especially not air power. They have bad memories of US air power in the Middle East.
The oil boys will be there faster than you can say Dick Cheney.
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For once, you are right. One isolated person's voice means nothing.

It will be to Libya's advantage to be able to do business with companies from countries that have been avoiding dealing with the Qadhdhafi regime.

Libya has a population of 6 million people and normally pumps 1.6 million barrels of oil per day. At a low-ball average price of $50 a barrel, that would work out to a gross income of close to 100 million dollars a day, roughly 30 billion dollars a year. Despite, that, from all accounts, the country is a shambles.

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He ain't lost the fight yet.
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He unveiled his secret weapon this afternoon. Expect two fingers in the eyes if you plan to interfere in the affairs of the State of the Masses.
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I will miss the wardrobe changes.
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Imagine what would happen if the people still didn't love Guadafi....
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On 2011-03-02 10:29, Woland wrote:

It will be to Libya's advantage to be able to do business with companies from countries that have been avoiding dealing with the Qadhdhafi regime.

Which countries are those, or which are you thinking of? There were about 70 or more Canadian companies operating in Libya at the start of 2011, and Canada is said to be one of the smaller players in Libya. Various U.S. companies have been lobbying to keep access to Libya open for a number of years now:

http://sunlightfoundation.com/blog/2011/......iness-2/

Not to mention Russia and others. So, I mean, it just seems like the big players are already in Libya doing business. So, I am just wondering who is missing.
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Papua new guinea...they are chomping at the bit to get in there.

Petrolium related companies are still widely controlled by the DOC. Interesting since a lot of military manufacturing isn't. This means if a company from the US goes to Libya every item, from pencils up, are restricted and require licensing. Neat huh?
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An apt cartoon, Scott. Up until a few weeks ago, the Libyan regime was the darling of the international community. In 2003, Libya was elected to the Chairmanship of the U.N. Human Rights Council. Didn't they know about Qadhdhafi then? Of course they did.

At the moment, it's clear that Qadhdhafi is the bad guy. After that, who knows what will happen. Again, as I've said, it is very hard to think that anybody would be worse than Qadhdhafi.

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An apt cartoon, Scott. Up until a few weeks ago, the Libyan regime was the darling of the international community. In 2003, Libya was elected to the Chairmanship of the U.N. Human Rights Council. Didn't they know about Qadhdhafi then? Of course they did.

Not to mention, in 2004 Bush lifted sanctions.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,132937,00.html
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Two tea drinkers confused about international politics? For shame, Scott! We don't need that sort of partisan humour here. Lol.

Anyway, I present ... Gaddafi's bunker: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7L1hWPGVcB0

Around 1:40 into the video, you can learn some of which countries' companies have their stamps on the bunker equipment. Any guesses?
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On 2011-03-02 16:05, Woland wrote:
Up until a few weeks ago, the Libyan regime was the darling of the international community.

W.


:rotf: Now that is about as much nonsense as I've ever read at the Café. And that's saying something.

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So he bought things made in Switzerland and America. That's supposed to be outrageous?

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