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rockwall Special user 762 Posts |
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
Legalize it!?
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Michael Baker Eternal Order Near a river in the Midwest 11172 Posts |
Yikes!
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Tom Jorgenson Inner circle LOOSE ANGLES, CALIFORNIA 4451 Posts |
Nothing like a little reality to wake you up, warn you off. I think this campaign will do its work.
We dance an invisible dance to music they cannot hear.
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts |
If only there was a focus on, oh, I don't know, getting people help, instead of locking them in cages, with more people who will sell them even dirtier drugs?
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
I'm not hip to drug culture, what are dirtier drugs?
Note:I've said it before, I'm absolutely against locking up users in prison or jail, doesn't do any good and just cost money. I don't know how rehabs work though nor how effective they are either. |
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts |
Hey, we're starting to agree on stuff.
To be honest, many rehabs don't work. The larger problem being, generally, the locking them up instead, but opening it up to the market would produce many more effective ways of treating people, and more resources to offer help. As for dirtier drugs, well, first, with drugs being illegal, producing them is dangerous, and so, finding something of quality, and something clean, is much harder than with "legitimate" products. So, there is already a dirtying of the drugs that people can get on the outside. In prison, it is essentially the same system, only exponential. There is much more restriction on what can be done, and what can get in or out, so they have to be creative. Also, they can get pretty desperate. I'll describe it with alcohol, as it's a bit easier, and the basic process is probably more familiar. Essentially, they round up trash they can get their hands on, and will store it in places like their toilet bowl, allowing it to ferment, to produce something that could be almost called booze. Like bathtub gin, but to the extreme. It's exactly the same as how things went in prohibition (of alcohol.) The restriction lead to people turning to other sources, and the product becomes far more dangerous. So, in jail, they will do the same. Of course plenty is smuggled in, and when it's the only option you have, you aren't too picky about your dope. So, you end up only having access to the crap some guy smuggled in up his, well, you know. Considering a guy is smuggling it into jail, he's also probably not thinking too much about making sure it's his top stuff. All this is not even to mention finding the materials to use the drug. You think finding a clean needle on the streets is hard. The situation in jail perfectly shows, in a slightly exaggerated manner, what prohibition does. That being prohibited does not go away, it simply becomes far more dangerous, and, also, more addictive, and abusive. The same can be seen with sex. Men in jail are deprived of it, and, some, end up turning to rape. Not even just for the sex, it becomes a tool of control/dominence, just like everything in jail.
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
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Michael Baker Eternal Order Near a river in the Midwest 11172 Posts |
Isn't it a bit presumptuous to assume these drug users were locked up because of their drug use? I'd imagine there were some other crimes committed. Of course, likely in relationship to their drug addictions, but user or not is not enough to separate their crimes from the same crime committed by non-users.
~michael baker
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
You could be right, I don't know except what I read in papers. I know they have said that people who have more than x amount of a drug can and are charged with trafficking here in Nevada. So there are people in prison for having drugs on them. I'm not a pot guy but I would hope that they stopped locking people up for having personal usage amounts, I mean 200 pounds is one thing, a few ounces is another.
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Michael Baker Eternal Order Near a river in the Midwest 11172 Posts |
Sure, but I was referring to B&E, robbery, etc..... even DUI suffices in my book.
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Looks like the CIA have been doing well since 2001.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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stoneunhinged Inner circle 3067 Posts |
Strangely enough, the woman in picture #11 actually looks a little better in the "after" photo (IMO, obviously). The circles under her eyes are less dark, and the sides of her lips are turned up almost to a smile.
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts |
Well, I wouldn't say better, although certainly not anywhere as pronounced as many of the other pictures. And the picture is of her 6 years older so that could account for the differences. Maybe you just like em a little older?
The really scary ones are the ones that are only taken like 6 months later. Like picture 16. Yikes! As far as legalizing it goes. I've been on the fence for a long time. While I understand all the arguments for legalizing it and believe that they very well might be right, I'm also worried about the unintended consequences that occur by legalizing it. However, at this point, I'm not sure that it could get a lot worse so I'm willing to give it a shot. I don't know if we'll ever be at a point where the USA is willing to attempt that solution, given the cowardice of most politicians. |
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stoneunhinged Inner circle 3067 Posts |
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On 2011-02-26 10:34, rockwall wrote: I do, actually. And big. Six foot tall, blonde, with some good cushioning, about 35 or so, and...uh...what's this thread about again? Seems to me that the legalization question is irrelevant, when you think about it. The first pictures of each of these people are mugshots--i.e., they were already arrested. Doesn't seem like the law helped them any. |
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
The drugs do damage, no doubt, but homelessness, AIDS from dirty needles, and prison time which I assume many of these unfortunate people have suffered from as well, will do lots of damage as well. Some of that is what we are seeing in these pictures.
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stoneunhinged Inner circle 3067 Posts |
Surely you are right. But what is most disgusting are all those sores. Eewwwwww. Those come from the meth, right?
Meth must really be something attractive, in a twisted, perverse kind of way. |
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts |
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On 2011-02-26 10:34, rockwall wrote: I think I agree. The thing is, most ignore all the unintended consequences of prohibition. Or rather, they don't ignore them, they ignore the connection to the regulation. Most can acknowledgment the bad that came from alcohol prohibition, but don't accept the same with current prohibitions.
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
Are you talking legalizing pot or, and considering who I'm asking this is stupid to assume I don't know the response, all drugs including smack, meth, and coke etc?
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts |
All. Decriminalizing all drugs worked pretty well for portugal.
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
I won't forget you Robert. |
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kcg5 Inner circle who wants four fried chickens and a coke 1868 Posts |
Speed is a horrible drug. There are many tweakers near where I live, and that stuff destroys people.
Those mugshot things have been around for 10 years or so.
Nobody expects the spanish inquisition!!!!!
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