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Yeah but this isn't AN.
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On 2011-02-28 07:54, TheGingerWizard wrote:
Has everyone who is jumping on the 'let's stamp out Prager' bandwagon even read the pdfs?

No they have not.
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Oh and richard busch stuff too...

needs crediting in some respect, he needs to talk to the people who published/invented this stuff - and generally do the right thing...

first Bite, then Kollostomy Suicide or whatever it was called, and now this...

slow down, speak to people, research it, share it, listen and go on from there...takes time, but is the right thing to do, and will show respect to what's come before you...pretty easy to do really...not trying to dampen anyone's enthusiasm...
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Yes I have - I bought it last night from the email begining with uncle90...
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Maybe everyone is a little touchy after this.

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......forum=15

Going off what I've been told this is what people are comparing it to.

It is not the same as AN.
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I read Peeki, and I think definately Richard Busch needs to be credited.
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Looch do you think Millard Longman should be credited? I was going off the comparison to AN.
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Looch you asked me for the idea.

I´ve sent it to you with the condition that you will send me your honest opinion, you never gave me any feedback.

And now you post this in here?

Why?
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I say all this, because I'm going to be releasing a book test soonish, and I wanted to make sure I'd gotten permission from those that were still alive, and to credit those who have invented the methods used (thank you Dick Christian)...

it takes a little bit of time, to pick more knowledgable people's brains and to ask questions and be prepared to listen and learn too...

its frustrating 'cos its genuinely not difficult to do...
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Don't get me wrong I totally understand the reasons for the argument but I just feel that some posts can be destructive rather than constructive. I know people have helped him with the bite and that could lead to people getting frustrated but Rome wasn't built in a day. I have no doubt that Prager came up with these ideas himself and just feel it would be a shame if he was put off releasing anything in the future. If I wrote a pop song would I consult a professor of music to check it against every single record that had ever been put out? Just in case I used a few similar chord changes? We can't all be Max Maven.
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If you haven't bought it how are you so sure? You're going off what other people say right? Do you read things before putting your signature to them? even if a salesperson says it's all fine? Or would you read it yourself first?
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Why do we need more peeks? If all these guys need a credit surely its not new?
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No, but you would listen if during rehearsals that its sounds too much like someone else's song...

though Oasis never did...
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Strange the post mindpunisher made before my last one has vanished! That's why it doesn't make sense!

Can I get the vanishing post pdf anywhere?
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On 2011-02-28 08:48, TheGingerWizard wrote:
If you haven't bought it how are you so sure? You're going off what other people say right? Do you read things before putting your signature to them? even if a salesperson says it's all fine? Or would you read it yourself first?


I have bought it, if you read the thread, I state I have...

have you? if not...why are you so involved?
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No, but you would listen if during rehearsals that its sounds too much like someone else's song...

though Oasis never did...


:) true true! But I haven't heard every song that's ever been written? So what if it is similar to something I haven't heard? Do I release it or scrap the song just in case? There wouldn't be much music about then. Mind you going on some cr*p nowadays that may be a good thing!
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That post was aimed at mindpunisher mate. See above!
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For the record I have no ulterior motives.
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Ultimately, the ideals behind publishing, crediting and permissions is something that everyone should do in our allied arts - if there's no respect or ethics in what we do with our secrets - it'll become a freeforall and everyone can suddenly be an inventor!

so the line in the sand says "research, speak to people, credit, ask for permissions" - job done...everyone is happy...simple....
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