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You're all wrong the fault rests squarely on the sholders of those of us who don't see the evil ways of the police force:p
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On 2011-02-26 23:54, LobowolfXXX wrote:
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On 2011-02-26 23:49, Jonathan Townsend wrote:
Often the same sort who expect their own personal beliefs will seen sensible and best practice for others.



That's just about all of us, in varying degrees. I'm glad that my elected officials agree that it's sensible and best practice to use force to incarcerate people who disagree with my personal belief that they shouldn't kill, rape, or rob people.


Sadly, they don't. Foreign leaders who kill rape and rob people are fine provided they maintain a climate favourable to business. The Saudis do, so they are fine. Saddam Hussein did not, so he became intolerable. Mubarak was fine for business; he was left alone. Mugabe is ignored because his country has no resources.

I wish it were true that our leaders took strong moral stances on these issues.

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Not to mention Canada.
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Don't follow you, Tommy. How did you read the word "our" in my post?

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I read "Foreign leaders" as them but not our people.
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Well it is definitely a new trend not to blame George W. However I do not blame Obama either.

Maybe, just maybe Egypt should shoulder some of the blame. Now there is a novel concept.
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I was reading something about how Wall Street changed the rules so that they can now gamble in an unlimited way with food prices. That and the printing of money is what has caused the food prices to rocket and is the cause of all these “let them eat cake” revolts. It could happen anywhere when you think about it. The £ goes down the food price rockets and there you go. But it will obviously happen in places where the people are on low incomes first. As soon as they can't afford food they have nothing to lose and they lose it. It could happen in Mexico perhaps before the USA if you see what I mean. I think its all a bigger problem than people think. If Obama could do anything he ought to change that Wall Street rule back to what it was before.
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I read "Foreign leaders" as them but not our people.


Oh I see. Local and international support for local d-bags is another issue altogether. But an important one, I agree.

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What specifically is the basis or utility of this "blame" some wish to assign and weigh?
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A utility requirement is really going to dry up the action in the ol' "Not Very Magical, Still" section.
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Well it is definitely a new trend not to blame George W. However I do not blame Obama either.

Maybe, just maybe Egypt should shoulder some of the blame. Now there is a novel concept.

Wait. What do we want them to shoulder the blame for again? Removing a dictator, enacting constitutional reforms, proposing more open elections, and creating a fairer trial system? Honestly, I am confused here. I thought all of these things were good. I mean, it's not perfect, but it's a good start.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424......834.html

CAIRO—Egypt's military rulers, hoping to set the stage for transparent democratic elections in six months, have unveiled a raft of proposed constitutional changes that include adopting a U.S.-style term limits of two four-year presidential terms.

The proposed changes would overturn a Mubarak-era law that effectively allowed his ruling National Democratic Party to oversee elections, restoring full supervision of the vote to the country's independent judiciary.

The changes also seek to loosen restrictions on the eligibility of presidential candidates, creating a more open field, and to forbid trials of civilians in military courts.
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You listen to all the deouble talk. Egypt does not have much oil so they are not oil rich like other mid east countries. But they have a crisis there and because of this country that has hardly any oil imiports it drives the price of oil up. It is all done with smoke and mirrors and you guys think you are magicians.


We can feel sorry for them. I just wonder how sorry all of the other nations are going to feel for USA when gas prices hit the $5.50 to $6.00 mark here in the USA (I am not interested what they are in other countries) and peopole here are out of work and many had two people working in the family to pay for the house and cars that they are used too. They are going to have one working at less than the small wage earner was making in the past. I am sure all the other countries will come to our aid. Just don't hold your breath.

We are still probably richest nation in the world when it comes to producing food. That should set off some singals for you. Lets raise prices on flour etc or let then eat their oil. See how nutrious it is. I know this has all been discussed before and is flawed but it seems that the oil rich countires can do as they please and have the other nations held captive. Gee I wonder how and why wars start.
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Gee I wonder how and why wars start.


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BTW, the price of food is due to go up also.
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Edh- yeah, that was really brilliant of us. We use corn in one form or another in probably close to 90% of our food products, and it's one of our major exports. Then someone gets the bright idea- "Hey, let's burn this stuff as a fuel that's even less efficient than gasoline!" Boom- there goes the price. Now the mega-aggro corps like Monsanto are happy, the speculators on Wall Street are elated, and just about the only ones complaining are the people everywhere who are suddenly paying 50% to 100% more than they used to just to eat lunch.
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On 2011-02-28 20:43, acesover wrote:

You listen to all the deouble talk. Egypt does not have much oil so they are not oil rich like other mid east countries. But they have a crisis there and because of this country that has hardly any oil imiports it drives the price of oil up. It is all done with smoke and mirrors and you guys think you are magicians.

Oil prices are up for a number of reasons. Much more because of what is happening in Libya (which IS a major producer) than because of what is happening in Egypt. Oil production in Libya right now is off by 50% (some even say as much as 75%), because international energy companies have evacuated their staff.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110228/bs_nm/us_libya_oil

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We can feel sorry for them. I just wonder how sorry all of the other nations are going to feel for USA when gas prices hit the $5.50 to $6.00 mark here in the USA (I am not interested what they are in other countries) and peopole here are out of work and many had two people working in the family to pay for the house and cars that they are used too. They are going to have one working at less than the small wage earner was making in the past. I am sure all the other countries will come to our aid.

I could answer this for you but since you don't want to know about what gas prices are elsewhere in the world, you wouldn't be interested.
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You are absoutely right I am not interested in what gas prices are in other countries. I am sure I can google it if I desire which I don't.

I am tired about worrying about the problems of other countries when we have enough of our own.

Also if I am not mistaken Libya is not a major exporter of oil. They are not much in the scheme of things. Just another excuse to drive up oil prices. Also it is not as if they stopped completely. Something like 70% reduction of a small oil import is a very small amount of oil. There was probably more spilled in the oil accidents than they put out in a month.
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The United States imports zero, zilch, nada oil from Libya. I'm sure the Euros are sucking it up though.... the problem is it effects the world supply and the Chinese and India are now guzzling oil, but that is okay cuz they are poor developing countries right lefties?

Oh, I also do not care about the cost of gas in other countries. There usually is a reason for it such as over taxing or a country that has no gas industry etc.. Do they sit around France and say "Oh la la, ze 'Mericans, zay haf' to pay ze high prize for' ze Evian...we drink for free!"?. Do you think in Uraguay they care that a leather jacket cost three times as much here? How about in Napa Valley, should they sweat it that in Uraguay a bottle of Almaden Vineyards wine cost $127 dollars while a bottle of Jack black is 180? Wanna know why? Cuz their import taxes are different and it cost more for them to get it there cuz of delivery systems etc.. Here, I'll fix the problem "Hey you socialist ex Nazi wanna be countries! Stop sticking it to your people! Cut back on the health care and sex change operations and supporting the little new North African countries within your border and give people a break on gas prices!". There, if they don't listen it isn't my fault, it is theirs.

Geez, people think we should have world wide prices...dang.
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You are absoutely right I am not interested in what gas prices are in other countries. I am sure I can google it if I desire which I don't.

That's not what I was talking about but never mind, it don't matter.
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The United States imports zero, zilch, nada oil from Libya.

The U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA) says otherwise.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/countries/cab.cfm?fips=LY

"With the lifting of sanctions against Libya in 2004, the United States has increased its imports of Libyan oil. According to EIA January through November estimates, the United States imported an average of 71,000bbl/d from Libya in 2010 (of which, 44,000 bbl/d was crude), up from 56,000 bbl/d in 2005 but a decline from 2007 highs of 117,000 bbl/d."

(Which isn't much, admittedly. But it does export a fair bit of oil to Europe and, as you noted, it is a world wide oil market and what happens over there affects us here.)
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