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dscanning Loyal user 226 Posts |
Aaron has been taking flak for his youtube lessons on basic sleights and breaking the Magician's Code. I tend to think that when the Magicians Code was really in force and meant something among magicians, it was at a time now gone by. Magicians never revealed their secrets to the public. They would confide in other magicans or trade secrets with other magicians. But somewhere along the road, the magicians put on another hat....that of the entrepeneur and after that mass marketing did away with the magician's code completely. A lot of people are giving Aaron hell. But for what? Because he didn't charge for his exposure. He gave it away. That was his sin. I personally got into magic over 35 years ago because I was walking thru the mall and I saw a magician in a kiosk perform the nudist deck. I stopped and watched as he explained how it was done to the buyer. I was amazed. I had never had the slightest interest in magic until I witnessed that random exposure. I have now been buying magic and enthralled with magic for more than 35 years. But back to my point, old school magicians who never exposed a single secret to the lay public would be rolling over in their graves if they heard someone say that the magicians code was still being currently followed. The magicians code has been dead for at least the last 50 years. Every single magician that has ever sold a DVD or a book or lectures notes to a magic store is an exposer. When you walk into any magic store on this planet, you are not required to show a membership card to IBM or SAM or anything else. You are only required to show that your wallet contains sufficient cash or a credit card. Aaron's only sin was failure to charge money for his exposure. What a low life! What a disgusting and horrible loser he turned out to be. Folks. Let's go down the list...Dai Vernon...EXPOSER! Annemann...EXPOSER! Slydini....EXPOSER! Ed Marlo....EXPOSER! The most famous magicans of the past 50 years...all exposers. They found out they could "sell" their precious secrets for money and suddenly, the magician's code was void. But you know what, magic is more popular than it has been in half a century. And I am still getting fooled by rough and smooth decks and invisible thread and thumb tips - because magicians are being creative and using them in ways never seen before. I think Aaron's a great guy and I love Marlo and Dai and Derek Dingle and Osterlind and all the other exposers out there. Good magician's will never be out of work and any interest in magic, on youtube or otherwise, is a good thing. So for those of you who despise exposure of magic, quit buying all those DVDs and tricks and stop supporting the exposers!
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gaddy Inner circle Agent of Chaos 3526 Posts |
Exposure of magical secrets diminishes magic and reduces it to mere trickery in the eyes of our audiences.
Selling/buying a secret implies a sacrifice (money) in order to gain it's power. Giving something away implies that it is of little value, or even worthless. In our patently un-magical age it's understandable how this distinction is lost on most people who call themselves " magicians ", but that's the way I see it. There is more that could be said here, but I have precious little time to spend beating this dead horse. Actual exposers of magic are no friends of magic, and they are no friends of mine.
*due to the editorial policies here, words on this site attributed to me cannot necessarily be held to be my own.*
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Dr. Magic Veteran user 355 Posts |
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On 2011-02-27 01:52, dscanning wrote: Really? What year do you think that changed? This should be interesting. |
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Pakar Ilusi Inner circle 5777 Posts |
Dscanning...
"Dreams aren't a matter of Chance but a matter of Choice." -DC-
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ted french Inner circle Columbus Ohio 1946 Posts |
I think the year was sometime in 1584 when the first book of magic secrets came out.
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DJG Inner circle The northern hemisphere of Earth 1295 Posts |
Um...weren't the cups and balls exposed in early hieroglyphs?
Your choices in life can be compared to watching a magic trick: You can continue to believe the illusion in front of you, find the intrigue and desire to learn more, or quit paying attention the moment you feel deceived.
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Pakar Ilusi Inner circle 5777 Posts |
The balls without the cups were the first exposed.
"Dreams aren't a matter of Chance but a matter of Choice." -DC-
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Andrew Zuber Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 3014 Posts |
If you've actually watched Aaron's videos, you will realize he's not exposing things. He is giving you pieces of the puzzle in order to help make you a better technician with a deck of cards.
Too many people saw "free lessons" and "video" and immediately jumped on the exposure bandwagon without taking the time to watch the videos first.
"I'm sorry - if you were right, I would agree with you." -Robin Williams, Awakenings
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Futureal Inner circle 1695 Posts |
There are secrets, then there are secrets.
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
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On 2011-02-28 22:50, EventEntertainer wrote: UM - no. Not even the real work on the recipe used for making the bread dough. As to selling magic to newbies - it seems like a rite of passage to go from prey to predator in this market. Kindly don't sell what's not truly yours.
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Wes65 Inner circle I've said very little in 1219 Posts |
Wouldn't helping magicians perfect their skills so they do not get caught actually reduce exposure?
Wes
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
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On 2011-03-04 17:35, Wes65 wrote: What does that have to do with making the data/ideas etc visible to an open audience via the internet in a way that any non-magician could understand?
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kasper Loyal user 253 Posts |
I mentioned something like that in another post. If you look up magicians on the internet all you will see is a bunch of adds to buy secrets. Even laymen mentioned that.
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twm Regular user of wine. 109 Posts |
[quote]On 2011-03-04 20:55, Jonathan Townsend wrote:
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What does that have to do with making the data/ideas etc visible to an open audience via the internet in a way that any non-magician could understand? It seems to me that we have to accept that we live in a world where there are fewer and fewer secrets. That is the nature of the internet. Somehow, we need to adapt to that. But I was just thinking about Penn and Teller. When they first appeared in the UK, the nature of their act was to explain methods of the traditional way to perform an effect, followed by a repeat that still baffled the audience. So, for example, they would explain the cups and balls, and then repeat with transparent cups. Another great magician in the UK whose act relied heavily on exposure as part of his comedy was Tommy Cooper. This is very different from making training material freely available to all who go in search of it. In both cases the disclosures were an integral part of their acts. Twm |
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Wes65 Inner circle I've said very little in 1219 Posts |
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On 2011-03-04 20:55, Jonathan Townsend wrote: What I've seen (I admit I haven't seen all of Aaron's videos) so far I'm not sure a non-magician would understand; at least not enough really get them anywhere. However, getting caught using poor techniques and posting videos using poor techniques does more than just expose.
Wes
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cairo Elite user 406 Posts |
Aaron's work isn't of any interest to the casual observer and is only geared for those informed students of our craft. He's definitely no Masked Magician and I'm a little surprised this thread even exists.
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gaddy Inner circle Agent of Chaos 3526 Posts |
Quote: Again, that's because people are more than willing to sell you something that is, in their eyes, inherently worthless... If they can get away with it! Websites are cheap, and even if only 1 in 100 visitors actually buy something, that's still 100% profit. Do that enough times and it suddenly becomes "worth it" to do so.
On 2011-03-04 23:01, kasper wrote: And when you've basically stolen someone else's intellectual property and made it for sale on your own website, well, that's how they get away with it. Of course, I am not including legitimate dealers and seller/creators in this classification.
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Mr. Mystoffelees Inner circle I haven't changed anyone's opinion in 3623 Posts |
Either that or, people are more willing to sit on their butt and sell secrets than actually go out and perform. The tragedy is what Jonathan alluded to- selling secrets that were not yours to sell. If a law were passed that you could only sell what you created, we would be back to secret magic. What the hell has the MM ever really done other that make money off of the secrets others created? It's a great world we are carving out for our kids...
Also known, when doing rope magic, as "Cordini"
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gaddy Inner circle Agent of Chaos 3526 Posts |
Quote: yes, but to be fair the magic world has always had this problem in spades (get it ) the internet and other technology has just exacerbated a problem that has always existed. Only now quite a few people who are not "on the inside" of magic dealing are getting a piece of the action as well, because to data thieves, one gig is the same as another on a torrent site.On 2011-03-05 18:35, Mr. Mystoffelees wrote:
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Mr. Mystoffelees Inner circle I haven't changed anyone's opinion in 3623 Posts |
Spot on, gaddy. It is just too easy to be exposed to information- even if not looking for it...
Also known, when doing rope magic, as "Cordini"
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