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http://www.npr.org/2011/02/20/133912491/......ily-dead


Oil from the BP spill remains stuck on the bottom of the Gulf of Mexico, according to a top scientist's video and slides that she says demonstrate the oil isn't degrading as hoped and has decimated life on parts of the sea floor. That report is at odds with a recent report by the BP spill compensation czar that said nearly all will be well by 2012. At a science conference in Washington Saturday, marine scientist Samantha Joye of the University of Georgia aired early results of her December submarine dives around the BP spill site. She went to places she had visited in the summer and expected the oil and residue from oil-munching microbes would be gone by then. It wasn't. "There's some sort of a bottleneck we have yet to identify for why this stuff doesn't seem to be degrading," Joye told the American Association for the Advancement of Science annual conference in Washington.
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Lost the link, but gulf shrimp on the market are testing positive for oil.
I'll see if I can find it.
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On 2011-03-02 11:51, landmark wrote:
Lost the link, but gulf shrimp on the market are testing positive for oil.
I'll see if I can find it.

Are you telling us that shrimp is oily. We should be careful how we eat it then.
Did they really think it was going to be back to normal in a few weeks?
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On 2011-03-02 11:51, landmark wrote:
Lost the link, but gulf shrimp on the market are testing positive for oil.
I'll see if I can find it.


that's great. No more sticking to the pan when I saute them and I save on cooking oil.

Everything will be back to normal or even better than normal next year. You need to trust the Scientists, they are the professionals.
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Which scientists need we trust?

The ones working for environmental groups, or the ones working for the oil company?

It is a group of scientists who are saying that the oil is still a problem, and may not go away and get better.
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Hey don't bogey that 10W-40 sauce!

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"Sure, this year’s crop might be fine and safe. But these could’ve hatched before the oil spill happened. But who knows what the next crop will be,” said Marilyn Solorzano, owner of Miss Marilyn Louise Shrimp Company.

Dr. Julie Olson, at the University of Alabama’s Department of Biological Sciences, agreed there are many questions about the future of Gulf shrimp: Will they have effectively reproduced healthy shrimp? Will that offspring be as capable of surviving and reproducing? Will they have some type of genetic defect? But the biggest question remains: Will they be safe to eat?

Dr. Olson is not convinced. “I’m still not convinced that there are not some longer-term health effects, and that I would say don’t completely avoid seafood, but I would probably recommend to eat in moderation.”

And what about the millions of gallons of oil remaining in the Gulf after cleanup efforts? “The jury is still out, at least in my particular opinion, as what happened to all of that oil. The government has said that it’s gone. I’m not comfortable with the data suggesting that it’s all gone,” Dr. Olson said.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/02/08/gul......FT8nepCT
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The oil spill could have been stopped more than a month earlier than it was. According to the government commission's report:

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It is very likely that if the top kill had been designed to deliver more than 109 bpm of 16.4 ppg drilling fluid below the BOP stack for a sustained period, the Macondo blowout could have been stopped between May 26-28, 2010. Given that the well was successfully shut-in with the capping stack in July, and that the subsequent bullhead (static) kill was successful, certainly a higher rate top kill would have been successful at that time.


Why wasn't that done? According to the New York Times, because Steven Chu prevented it:

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In early May, he suggested using gamma ray imaging to determine the condition of the well’s blowout preventer, a move no one at the company had considered.

A few weeks later, he overruled some BP officials and ordered the company to stop the “top kill” effort, citing “very, very grave concerns” that it could backfire.

He insisted in late June that a tighter cap be installed on the leaking riser. And on Tuesday, over the strenuous objections of top BP officials, he ordered a 24-hour delay in plans to conduct a pressure test on the well, saying that more safety precautions and analysis were necessary.


As Bob Strata points out:

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Chu is a nut job plain and simple. He is one of those Al Gore alarmists who runs around screaming the end of the world is upon us. All his claims in the linked article are without a shred of scientific basis – not a one. He is the classic example of a liberal who has risen through the tenure system way beyond his intellectual capacity.


Heaven help us.


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Yes, the catastrophe had nothing to do with BP playing fast and loose with safety concerns in the first place.
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Maybe it did, landmark, but that doesn't excuse Mr. Chu.
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Maybe it did, landmark, but that doesn't excuse Mr. Chu.

Bob Strata's criticisms are disingenuous and over the top.

Chu suggested some useful techniques that BP had not even considered:

"In early May, he suggested using gamma ray imaging to determine the condition of the well’s blowout preventer, a move no one at the company had considered."

And as the linked to NYTimes article said, many of the BP engineers also thought the top kill effort was too risky. In the end:

"Dr. Chu accepted a compromise, allowing the shutdown to proceed but with extensive data collection and numerous opportunities to stop the test if the pressure readings were not favorable."

"Robert Dudley, the top BP official handling the spill response, said that he was impressed not only with Dr. Chu’s technical virtuosity, but his command demeanor."

"“He is confident, he is inquisitive and he seeks views from a variety of people,” Mr. Dudley said. “He can speak with senior executives and then with subsea engineers, and ask probing questions about pressure variants and burst steel casing. He can actually interpret the data and have a very sharp engineering discussion with an expert from BP.”'
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On 2011-03-02 12:09, abc wrote:
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On 2011-03-02 11:51, landmark wrote:
Lost the link, but gulf shrimp on the market are testing positive for oil.
I'll see if I can find it.

Are you telling us that shrimp is oily. We should be careful how we eat it then.
Did they really think it was going to be back to normal in a few weeks?


In their commercials, BP certainly seems to be trying to get us to believe that!
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On 2011-03-02 13:41, Whit Haydn wrote:
Which scientists need we trust?

The ones working for environmental groups, or the ones working for the oil company?

It is a group of scientists who are saying that the oil is still a problem, and may not go away and get better.


I have to say that I don't trust environmental scientists for a second. But I trust those working for BP even LESS!

I think common sense would help us know that this problem did not just "go away" and needs to be dealt with in some serious fashion.
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