|
|
Go to page [Previous] 1~2~3~4~5~6~7~8~9~10 [Next] | ||||||||||
Craig Crossman Special user Palm Beach, Florida 523 Posts |
Let me make this short and simple. This is NOT what I read in the advertisement. The ad for this book leaves out all of the things you have to perform in front of everyone to make this work. This is NOT the ACAAN I saw performed by Marc Paul on The Parkinson Show with Tom Jones:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdXIVQ-asqU nor the other video of the Oriental mentalist who did ACAAN: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yquvd8dnOwA ACAAN evidently CAN be done but this book does NOT hold the answer. With all of the deck switching and handling of the cards you have to do right in front of everyone, this book isn't worth the paper on which it is printed (which is very nice, by the way.) In both of the above videos, the deck is never handled once the effect begins. It's handed out BEFORE name and number are selected, audience members are randomly chosen so no stooges, and again, the deck is never touched by the performer! Someone calls out a number, another a card, and a third deals out the deck face up which has been out in full view at all time and held by someone else! THAT'S ACAAN. What I purchased is anything but. Buyer beware! Just another of the ENDLESS examples of ads not saying what actually transpires in the performance. No wonder there isn't a video of this. Had there been one, I would not have purchased it. Craig Crossman |
|||||||||
vinsmagic Eternal Order sleeping with the fishes... 10957 Posts |
This is why Boris did not want ademo... any thing can be said on paper ,it is seeing that is believing
vinny |
|||||||||
Jon Allen V.I.P. England 1771 Posts |
It is quite remarkable that some people's view of ACAAN is based entirely on a set of criteria that need to be met to acheive a 'holy grail'. Why is it not enough that someone names a card, someone names a number, you hand someone else a deck and they count down to find the card at that number? If the audience don't care whether you touch the cards fairly after the effect has started, why should you? As far as I can see, ACAAN is Any Card at Any Number. Where does it say that deck switching or card handling is not allowed? (I actually laughed as I wrote "is not allowed" because it's funny to think that magicians are imposing rules on themselves to acheive a magical effect.)
For me, it's like saying 3 Fly is NOT an effect where coins travel from one hand to another but also: The audience can give you any 3 coins No gaffs or extra coins are used The hands never come near eachother during the performance The empty hand is shown fully front and back the moment before a coin appears in it The hand the coin has travelled from is shown front and back after it has gone. What about OOTW: Two people are chosen at random so no stooges are used The deck is placed on a table and is never touched by the performer from then on. One person chooses if the card to be delat off the top is either red or black while the other picks up the deck and deals the cards into one of two piles as appropriate. At the end, the dealer turns the piles face up to reveal the person as correctly separated out the red and black cards There's packet switching and card handling involved in this but somehow that's okay? OOTW is actually a multiple card at any number! What ever happened to "Method is nothing; the effect is everything" (although the effect is NOT everything either!). Why is the strict criteria to acheive an absolutely perfect ACAAN so important? Why should the routine I perform fulfill all of them or be deemed a failure? A failure in whose eyes? My audience? No. Magicians? Some. It is not a competition where the rules need to be obeyed. Why do I lose marks because I have used a 2nd deck! There is ample justification for using a 2nd deck. There is also a solution to never touching the deck once the effect has started. If you want to stick unwaveringly to a set of criteria imposed on you by someone else, that's fine. I, nor anyone, will make you change your mind. So many threads fill up with arguments and people trying to change the performing minds of people they have never met! Personally, I base the routines I perform on the effect, the presentation and experience it offers my audience. My posts, hopefully explain why I like Boris's ACAAB. I think that for stand up or stage, this is the best routine around. Oh, and tricks done on TV are not always as clean as the performer would have you believe...
Creator of iconic magic that you will want to perform.
The Silent Treatment, The Pain Game, Paragon 3D, Double Back, Destination Box and more. Available at www.onlinemagicshop.co.uk |
|||||||||
JanForster Inner circle Germany ... when not traveling... 4190 Posts |
Quote:
On 2011-03-31 04:57, Jon Allen wrote: Dear Jon, with all respect for your excellent work which I know quite well but here I couldn't disagree more. Jan
Jan Forster
www.janforster.de |
|||||||||
Jon Allen V.I.P. England 1771 Posts |
Jan, the way the world is at this time, it is one of the more purile things to disagree about!
It is good for magic that people have differing views because it means that not everyone is doing the same effects as everyone else and magic can diversify. As I said, if someone prefers another version then great. As long as they present it well and the audience go away with a sense of wonder and amazement, it doesn't matter. Maybe we will have the chance to chat about it some time soon...
Creator of iconic magic that you will want to perform.
The Silent Treatment, The Pain Game, Paragon 3D, Double Back, Destination Box and more. Available at www.onlinemagicshop.co.uk |
|||||||||
JanForster Inner circle Germany ... when not traveling... 4190 Posts |
Jon, yes that would be nice indeed... and of course you are right: sometimes it's very strange which kind of "problems" magicians are having or discussing if we look around and see what's going on in our real world... Jan
Jan Forster
www.janforster.de |
|||||||||
Bietfriek Special user Bye, bye after 501 Posts |
Quote:
On 2011-03-31 04:57, Jon Allen wrote: To be honest I did not read the complete thread, but I agree with the statement made by Jon. It's nice to get a clean as possible effect. In my opinion magic depends on principles,methods and the perception of the spectator. For me it doesn't matter how I achieve the effect as long as I CAN achieve it without the spectator knowing. I always use the following rule for myself; If I'm fooled the first time it's good. If I'm fooled the next time it's better If I can figure it out myself in less then 15 minutes I don't use it. Does it take longer I think it's worth learning. 'We' have some knowledge and skills the spectator isn't aware of and we have to use this knowledge to perform magic. Why Boris doesn't show a performance I don't know but I can understand. How many performances are there you can't figure out yourself? I think a lot! Sometimes the method behind an effect is discovered after viewing it 2 or 3 times. There are some people who are creating effects for free, but also people who are magician for a living. For some people magic is their living. Putting up a video which possibly tips the method will hurt their job and hours of thinking. As for the effect I don't think it's needed, because ACAAN is well known. I've decided to don't have a look at it, Why? In the past I've bought several ACAANS and just want to learn 2 methods flawless. Kind regards, Kevin |
|||||||||
JanForster Inner circle Germany ... when not traveling... 4190 Posts |
[quote]On 2011-03-31 07:55, Bietfriek wrote:
Quote:
... Kevin, these are very individual criteria. It really depends on how much somebody knows; some have such a high knowledge that it wouldn't work. So I think it doesn't work in general. Still there a methods which will fool an audience entirely but same time are nothing for some of us. What doesn't mean we couldn't use them. We've ALWAYS to see it from the perspective of the audience. In the case of ACAAB I've to state that it wouldn't fool me at all, not even a second. But that doesn't mean it's not good for the audience. It's only not good enough for me and as I know that I will only perform well what I like I wouldn't perform it. Jan
Jan Forster
www.janforster.de |
|||||||||
Andrew Zuber Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 3014 Posts |
What a bunch of nonsense about demo videos. With all the hype people give to ACAAN effects, one could just write a book called "ACAAN" and it would sell like crazy, demo or not.
As someone pointed out earlier, the Internet has ABSOLUTELY spoiled us...if you disagree, look back to a time when video demos were not made for effects, and you HAD to read ad copy. Do you expect a video demo of every book you ever buy to determine whether or not you'll appreciate the contents? Boris isn't exactly the new kid on the block. He knows what he's doing and has a proven track record. Good for Boris for sticking to his guns.
"I'm sorry - if you were right, I would agree with you." -Robin Williams, Awakenings
|
|||||||||
vinsmagic Eternal Order sleeping with the fishes... 10957 Posts |
Demos and seeing audience reactions sell effects . this is the 21 century.
we are not talking about Boris's track record, he is a excellent magician, however I want to see the interplay between magician and audience who cares about the method.. I also realize you guys from England stick together that's fine too. vinny |
|||||||||
JanForster Inner circle Germany ... when not traveling... 4190 Posts |
Yes, Andrew, that's true. You HAVE to read then. Unfortunately many can't do anymore. This is why we find so many one-trick-DVDs and the art of magic in such a terrible state... tons of clones, tons of one-second-effects... and the most "important" fact: instant reset. As if this would mean anything about the quality of an effect. It says only something where you could perform it. And this is most often not an environment for any kind of art. But for many magicians. Jan
Jan Forster
www.janforster.de |
|||||||||
Gaz Lawrence Inner circle 5991 Posts |
Quote: Absolute rubbish about The Parky show ! You only have to listen to the girls hesitant remarks about the card she merely thought of and it was obvious pre show. Also Parkys stumbled reply on the number to know it was obviously all pre written down pre show and peeked to save time later as they say. To me the Parky show was so obvious it was stooges it was bordering on embarrassing , but sorry if I was the only one seeing this just my opinion.
On 2011-03-31 02:04, Craig Crossman wrote: |
|||||||||
brehaut Inner circle kentucky 2531 Posts |
I'm not sure I see the big thing about a demo. If a demo is important to you, then don't buy an effect unless one is offered (you take the risk of missing out on some good effects) or make an independent decision regardless of whether a demo is offered (you take the risk of buying something you may have passed on if a demo existed). It is the decision of the buyer---the seller is free to do whatever he wants.
|
|||||||||
Andrew Zuber Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 3014 Posts |
I really need to change my location back to the U.S. since that's where I'm actually from. Apparently living in the UK means there's an entirely different set of rules as far as magic is concerned
For me, the interplay between the audience and the magician in a demo means nothing. First of all, a demo video is only going to show a trick in the best light. Of course the audience is going to be going nuts...watch an L&L DVD. Watch almost ANY demo. The point is to sell the effect, so if the audience reactions are what you're looking at, you're going to be disappointed. Second, the presentation is what each individual performer makes it. The presentation in a demo doesn't sell me - the effect does. I've seen great effects with horrible presentations, and I've seen horrible effects with fantastic presentations. I often find demo videos to be misleading, over hyped, or edited together in such a way that it's nearly impossible to discern what the trick is. I appreciate a good demo because there are so few out there. I bring up Boris' track record because I don't need to see a video to know that he puts out good material. I trust him because I know he's talented, and his experience and previous releases show that to me. I'd do the same for David Regal, John Carney, Michael Ammar or any other number of talented workers. Their name on the cover is what sells it to me. I'm in the process of finishing a master's dissertation in business, so I'll tell you - a demo video can be manipulated just as easily as written ad copy, and I'd say 99.9% of all advertising does this, written, verbal or otherwise. It's how sales are made. I love how people demand certain things from creators as though they're owed something from them, and then get fired up when their requests aren't met. He didn't have to release the book in the first place, he could have kept the material to himself. Most magicians aren't making millions off of the products they release - they do it because they enjoy it. If I put a product out and people were demanding more from me, I'd pull it from the market and keep it to myself.
"I'm sorry - if you were right, I would agree with you." -Robin Williams, Awakenings
|
|||||||||
vinsmagic Eternal Order sleeping with the fishes... 10957 Posts |
What you say makes sense however we are speaking about Boris not some no body performing a effect ...
Michael Vincent is British, yet for me he is the very best. Michael still performs his effects and this is what sells his material because we get to see his showman ship his elagance and mastery of the art,,,,,period. that can not be said about the written word. I am not a kid off the block I have been performing magic before you were born. and I have seen many of the greats that have passed..just because you are finishing your masters means nothing .. show me this is what I want to seeand I am only speaking for m,y self this is how I leanrd magic by watching and observing not reading books |
|||||||||
Andrew Zuber Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 3014 Posts |
Got it. To each his own.
"I'm sorry - if you were right, I would agree with you." -Robin Williams, Awakenings
|
|||||||||
vinsmagic Eternal Order sleeping with the fishes... 10957 Posts |
Andrew I mean you no disrespect . to each is own
vinny |
|||||||||
Andrew Zuber Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 3014 Posts |
No worries Vinnie! Love what you and the other guys on your site are offering our community.
"I'm sorry - if you were right, I would agree with you." -Robin Williams, Awakenings
|
|||||||||
Craig Crossman Special user Palm Beach, Florida 523 Posts |
Quote:
On 2011-03-31 04:57, Jon Allen wrote: Jon, That's not my point. If that's what you have to do with Boris' effect, so be it. My POINT is that NO WHERE in his ad description does he SAY or imply that's what you have to do. ALL he says is one names a number, another a card, and a third counts down to the card in the deck. It directly says "The freely named card is in the position of to the freely named number! It is as simple and direct as that! (It's NOT!) The performer does not touch the cards (He DOES). He does not even open the card case. The spectator does everything. The card is always revealed at the exact named number..." and of course, that's NOT how it actually is. He should say in his description of his effect that you place the deck in your pocket, have someone write on a business card, etc. He does NOT say ANY of that in his ad. THAT'S my bone of contention here. Craig Crossman |
|||||||||
afuoco Loyal user Virginia 208 Posts |
Craig,
I've given up on the ACCAN we all want a long time ago. The one that looks like the excellent Marc Paul version or the amazing LuChen version that you have provided links to. Even these have restrictions that we would probably not use. I suspect that Marc is using pre-show work and I suspect LuChen's version is more of an illusion focused around the table the deck is sitting on. So when a new one emerges without a video, I instinctively know the description is not what the magician will see. Bottom line--don't purchase any more of the tens of new ACAANs that will come along in the next few years. Arnie
Arnie
|
|||||||||
The Magic Cafe Forum Index » » Latest and Greatest? » » Boris Wild ACAAN (0 Likes) | ||||||||||
Go to page [Previous] 1~2~3~4~5~6~7~8~9~10 [Next] |
[ Top of Page ] |
All content & postings Copyright © 2001-2024 Steve Brooks. All Rights Reserved. This page was created in 0.06 seconds requiring 5 database queries. |
The views and comments expressed on The Magic Café are not necessarily those of The Magic Café, Steve Brooks, or Steve Brooks Magic. > Privacy Statement < |