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Ed_Millis Inner circle Yuma, AZ 2292 Posts |
Is there a viable alternative to the venerable dove pan?
A box or such that you show empty, yet is then full of something? I'm already using mine for one routine, and don't want to duplicate the prop. Would prefer something the volunteer can hold while we open the lid. Ed |
kasper Loyal user 253 Posts |
There is that prop called the drawer box. I have one that has holes on top for the dove to breath. yes you can show it empty and it will fill with items also. I don't know if can have the spectator hold by themselves but you can hold it together with the spectator as you make the revelation. I bought it in a magic shop in Milwaukee WI. Its made really well and cost about $70 back in the 90's. Im sure someone uses one all the time on here and can elaborate on it more. Or give advice on other boxes.
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pradell Special user Alaska 560 Posts |
There are many production devices that can be used to produce lots of things. There are bunny boxes, mi**or boxes, square circles, drawer boxes (as Kasper mentioned), tip over boxes such as the treasure chest, change bags, silk cabinets, duck buckets, etc. Your favorite dealer should have a variety of these items in stock.
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Simon Mandal New user 60 Posts |
Hi Ed.
It depends on what you'd like to produce. Depending on your needs you could get a squared circle, or some kind of tip over box. http://themagicwarehouse.com/cgi-bin/fin......TREASURE |
kasper Loyal user 253 Posts |
Oh and Tarbell book series has chapters on dove and animal productions and boxes. They have excellent plans to buid them if you want to take the time instead of buying. Im sure someone will chime in here with full time experience. But if I was going to put together a livestock act this is the first place I'd check. But for now I'll step down at let the professionals unleash their advice.
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Bob Sanders Grammar Supervisor Magic Valley Ranch, Clanton, Alabama 20504 Posts |
I like to use the Sesamee Box for a change.
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Mike Maturen Inner circle Michigan's Beautiful Sunrise Side 2726 Posts |
Tarbell is great. Many sellers have the 8-book series for sale...but that is expensive to buy and expensive to ship.
On my E-bay store I have the ORIGINAL one-volume Tarbell Lessons in Magic available for 69.95. It is a worthwhile investment...and is a classic course in magic. Look for World of Wonder Magic Shop on E-bay.
Mike Maturen
World of Wonder Entertainment The Magic and Mayhem of Mike Maturen 989-335-1661 mikematuren@gmail.com AUTHOR OF "A NEW DAWN--Weekly Wisdom From Everyday Life" member: International Magician's Society |
volto Special user 603 Posts |
If you want them to hold it and remove the item without the secret being obvious, it's trickier. The production box in the Wilson complete course? Or maybe a flipover box. In both cases you'd have to do the initial display and then some fiddling, before the volunteer opened it. You could maybe build a square circle with a lid, in a way that was deceptive from above as well as the front. The principle behind the Mikame 'Mujinzo' box might work too.
Or use the multiple-tube (organ pipes) style production, show everything clean and empty then cover everything with silks and have the volunteer do all of the productions; several tubes in succession building to a climax. A temple screen could work, again it'd have to be custom made to be deceptive to the volunteer. I think tubes are probably the best alternative? The dove pan rocks for simplicity though. |
Spellbinder Inner circle The Holy City of East Orange, NJ 6438 Posts |
I explore the use of a Stock Pot as the successor to the Dove Pan in The Wizards' Journal #18. But whether it would work for you depends on what the "something" is that you want to produce.
Professor Spellbinder
Professor Emeritus at the Turkey Buzzard Academy of Magik, Witchcraft and Wizardry http://www.magicnook.com Publisher of The Wizards' Journals |
Ed_Millis Inner circle Yuma, AZ 2292 Posts |
Thanks for all the suggestions. After I posted that (of course!!), I had visions of all the different production props available. But, as volto said, the dove pan rocks for simplicity! Especially for producing objects of some solidity.
In my current routine using a dove pan, the spectator is holding the pan. I have a double-load version. One load is in place, and an object in the pase holds the lid slightly ajar. We open the lid, he removes the object, and I replace the lid onto the now-empty pan. Later, I remove the lid, but something's not right. I set the lid down in an appropriate manner, take care of the issue, and replace the lid. The next time we take off the lid, it's all good. A square circle seems like too much fiddling to show it empty (although I suspect a good routine would make it flow naturally). A drawer box might work better. A tip-over can have angle problems in close quarters (like a living room birthday party with crowding kids). Just thinking for now .... always good to have alternatives to the standard items. Cheers! Ed |
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