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Actually, people get confused about IP all the time, both what it is and what it isn't.

Copyrights do not cover ideas. They only cover the copying of artistic expression fixed in a tangible medium. So, they don't cover method exposure. About the only thing they *might* cover is the words of the routine if they were scripted, but by definition any trick that comes with a script comes with an implicit right to perform it, so that's out too.

Very few tricks are ever patented. Patent is expensive, requires that you publicly register it (and thus expose the method) and in as derivative an art as ours is highly likely to fail in court anyway due to "prior art."
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That's what I figured. Just thought it might make a good argument. Drats. But @Cyberqat is absolutely correct. It's like I learned you can't really copyright a recipe for cooking. Methods for magic probably comparable. Too bad.

Now back to the topic:

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On 2011-03-15 13:36, worldofwondermagic wrote:
I am also a bit of a traditionalist in my approach to magic. In my show next week, I will be wearing black pants and a billowy red "pirate" style shirt for my first set, black pants and a different shirt for my second, and a tux for the 3rd.

I still think there is a place for the Blackstone-style of magic. We don't see near enough of it in my opinion.


Since this is titled "younger generation," this reminded me of a show I did a couple of weeks ago. I had picked up a used tux at a local Goodwill for $6. That's right. My daughter took a picture of me and that's it in the avatar.

My wife, who besides being an attorney did her undergraduate in drama, convinced me that people expect magicians to look a certain way, and that I should dress the part. "It's like you're going from being, Ron, who everyone knows, to a different character: the magic guy."

What this has to do with the younger generation is that the teens in the audience were most excited about the magic. One young lady learned what I was doing and said, "are you going to wear and cape and the whole bit?"

I didn't have a cape, but they loved the outfit. To them, I looked like their conception of a magician. And these are bright kids, who I have known for years and watched them grow up. Even in the days of Chriss Angel and magicians who try to look like hipsters, even the youngsters still think of magicians in traditional dress. (This is not to be seen as a slam to Chriss Angel: I think he's great and understand he invited all the teens competing in the World Magic Seminar in Vegas recently to his house)

I just thought this was interesting and fit in with the thread. Now they may only expect and old guy like me to dress like this. But it was still interesting.

And you always hear that in a tux, well, that's really the best a man is going to look.

No matter what his age.
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I've had the pleasure of performing in tux once.. and it was *wonderful*. A Tux makes you *feel* like a magiciain!

Plus theres lots of black and places to hide things Smile

I actually have on my "toy" list to buy a tux just for performing. They aren't all that expensive, you can get one at men's Wearhouse for $200 or so.

P.S. Your wife is absolutely right. People's expectations and perceptions conform to the uniform you wear. You can tell her my wife did a whole unit on this in undergraduate psych.

P.P.S. Congrats on scoring a decent fitting tux for $6.00 Treasure it!
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Okay, we're getting off topic. Here's something else I thought of today that I subconciously do:

Cherish all of the good comments you recieve, but don't let them get to your head. Hate all of the bad comments you recieve, but use them as the basis of your desire to become better.
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Actually, the jacket didn't have the sleeves hemmed, but my wife helped me fix it with permanent fabric tape. I then went and got a vest/bow tie combination at Burlington Coat Factory for $15 - more than the tux. So actually, the entire outfit was a whopping $20. And you know what? When you spend $6, you can experiment with adding pockets, loads and holders and not worry that you're going to screw up an expensive suit.

Really, wait another couple of months. Go to a DAV or Goodwill in the most upscale neighborhood of your town. There will be parents who will buy -- not rent but buy -- their kids a tux for prom then donate it the next day. Because seniors come in all sizes, you might find something. Men's suits have lots of extra fabric, I've learned and can be altered easily. You can get a good alternation done on a suit for $30 (at least in the Midwestern USA), and you're still ahead.

@Cyberqat, I'll pass that onto my wife. She'll enjoy that story.
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On 2011-03-21 19:08, satellite23 wrote:
Okay, we're getting off topic.

Actually, we're not!!
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Do you have any tips for us? Mabye somthing you wish you were told earlier on?

If you read through the posts by teens in this forum, you'll find a lot complaining about how they're not taken seriously by their peers or family (the majority of the people they perform for). You also find that a large protion of their focus is on method and technique.

Yes, to execute a trick properly requires good method and technique. But to deliver a good magical presentation and experience requires an understanding of the audience's expectations and how to fulfill them. What do they want a magician to look like and sound like? For these people in this ssetting, how can you create an environment where magic is possible and reality can be twisted? I can do that in a cubicle at work; most "younger generation" people haven't thought through what they want to do and who they want to be, and bomb when they try it at school or home.

That's why the YT videos are usually just kiddies - it's all about them sucking attention from you.
Good magic is the opposite - it's about you giving them a wonderful experience.

Ed
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Two thumbs up, Ed!
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Two thumbs and my TT up at yeah.
Enjoy your magic,

and let others enjoy it as well!
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On 2011-03-19 19:35, Cyberqat wrote:

If you want to be noticed then don't do a levi 'cause everyone does one. Do a great cups and balls cause NOONE is doing it right now. People crave *new* experiences and that's what you should strive to provide.

Actually, I have only seen two live levitations so far, while I have seen like 7 cups and balls...
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That's cause most of the levis only work on youtube Smile

Kidding... kind of...

But wow, if yo'uve seen lots of cups and balls routines you must hang around with a lot of magicians. I cant remember the l;ast time I saw a professional presentation of them.

But the key point was simply, don't try to do what you've just seen and "looked cool" cause everyone else has already seen it too. Do some thing you *haven't* seen done lately or at all.

Oh and find a good brick and mortar and then let the owner help you find those things.
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