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– 1:00 a.m. EST

By JAY ALABASTER, Associated Press Jay Alabaster, Associated PressSENDAI, Japan – Japan launched a massive, military-led rescue operation Saturday after a giant quake and tsunami killed hundreds of people and turned the northeastern coast into a swampy wasteland as authorities braced for a possible meltdown at a nuclear reactor.

Prime Minister Naoto Kan said he is sending 50,000 troops for the rescue and recovery efforts following Friday's 8.9-magnitude quake that unleashed one of the greatest disasters Japan has witnessed — a 23-foot (7-meter) tsunami that washed far inland over fields, smashing towns, airports and highways in its way.

The official death toll stood at 413, while 784 people were missing and 1,128 injured. In addition, police said between 200 and 300 bodies were found along the coast in Sendai, the biggest city in the area near the quake's epicenter. An untold number of bodies were also believed to be lying in the rubble and debris. Rescue workers had yet to reach the hardest-hit areas.

Adding to the worries was the damage at the Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear power plant, where two reactors had lost cooling ability.

Because of the overheating, a meltdown was possible at one of the reactors, said Ryohei Shiomi, an official with Japan's nuclear safety commission.

But even if there was a meltdown, it wouldn't affect humans outside a six-mile (10-kilometer) radius, he said.

More than 215,000 people were living in 1,350 temporary shelters in five prefectures, or states, the national police agency said. Since the quake, more than 1 million households have not had water, mostly concentrated in northeast.

Kan said a total of 190 military planes and 25 ships have been sent to the area.

"Most of houses along the coastline were washed away, and fire broke out there," he said after inspecting the quake area in a helicopter. "I realized the extremely serious damage the tsunami caused."
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But even if there was a meltdown, it wouldn't affect humans outside a six-mile (10-kilometer) radius, he said.


Hey Santa, does that sound right to you?
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I've no clue, my father is the nuke guy. Of course if it releases a measurable about of radiation that is much much sexier than the potentially 1000 people killed in the earthquake.
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It just seems to me that a meltdown, and I don't know if there are "degrees of meltdown", could affect more area than that.
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There are. Remember that a number of failures have to occur and that still does not mean a major or even minor release of radiation because the whole shebang is in a containment vessel. We are not talking open reactors here like Chernobal and the plant in Washington State in the Tri Cities. Completely different animal. The biggest problem, other than the press, with most melt down situations is the cost involved because it ruins the core and either they just contain it or they have to repair it. It just scares the crap out of people, the term radiation and nuke and all that. Radiation is all around us. I'm sure the press is hoping for a meltdown and what a place to have it, Japan, they'll call it the New Nagasaki or something.
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Santa,

I'm with ya on the problem of the press. I'm going to stop posting those articles and do a little reading on how those things are built.

One of articles did describe the containment structures. I wish I could find it again. I would post that one. It described the Japanese plants as far safer than anywhere else. And I read a little about Chernobyl. It sounded almost like the rods where in a bucket in a backyard.

As I said earlier, I just have faith that good people are doing there best. And agree with you that the dead and hurt victims of the quake and tsunami should not be neglected in all this.

I appreciate your input. Thanks.
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Apparently the radiation after the explosion, is actually going down.
"There's no time to lose," I heard her say.
"Catch your dreams before they slip away."
"Dying all the time, lose your dreams and you could lose your mind.
Ain't life unkind?"
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Maybe, Ed. But if there's a meltdown the radiation will go back up again. Big time.
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And that's why no private US insurance company will touch the regular insuring of a nuke plant with a 10-foot pole.
But Congress just gave away 8 billion to the nuke industry. Meanwhile, here in NYC, mayor Bloomberg just closed 105 senior centers. I was at a rally at City Hall to save them, and a vet in a wheelchair who came with several others from his center to protest asked me, "Why do they destroy anything that works? These programs work and they cut funding, but then they spend all this money on stuff that they have no idea if it will work."
Total cost for 105 senior centers: 25 million. Pocket change.
Priorities are very twisted.
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Radiation is evidently leaking from the plant to the outside environment:

"An explosion severely damaged the main building of the nuclear plant on Saturday in the wake of the earthquake, causing radiation to leak from the facility, 240 km (150 miles) north of Tokyo. The government insisted radiation levels were low, saying the blast had not affected the reactor core container.

Still, 90,000 people had been evacuated from areas near the plant while authorities prepared to distribute iodine to people in the vicinity to protect them from radioactive exposure."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/1......20110312
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On my old ship we had radiation and we had these lil' indicator thingies we wore. The guys who were around it a lot had a yearly amount they could be subjected to 'unless approved by the commanding officer' so every time they would reach that max level they would just approve more!

When my dad was in Japan his guys had those thingies as well and the divers maxed out (the divers that do welding) and it was November I so they were, clearly, a month away from another year starting. The company in Japan wanted them to just take the month off and get back to work with a new thingie. My dad sent them all back to the states and told the big bosses that a year was 12 months not Jan to December and he wouldn't subject them to more radiation until the period of time passed that was in the safety regs. Ticked off the bosses but they couldn't do anything and the workers loved my dad for it. To be honest with you thankfully my father has been very healthy and is around 80 now and none of his coworkers ever had problems associated with radiation. They are also either elderly or died of other things such as heart issues or just age.
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On 2011-03-12 12:03, stoneunhinged wrote:
Maybe, Ed. But if there's a meltdown the radiation will go back up again. Big time.


This is true. And appears to be happening now. I was just hoping for SOMETHING positive to come out of this mess.
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They release steam that has measurable radioactive levels, that is how it works.
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Gotta love agendas. I'm waiting for people to claim that no one was killed by the earthquake or tsunami but they were intentionally caused by the US to cover the nuc disaster to explain the 10,000 lives lost. Nice...major loss of life and this limey @#@% goes to some greenie in Ohio because that is the story.
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It's bad Santa. Ask your Dad. Seawater. That kills the plant completely--you only do that if you're desperate.
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The meltdown can kill it, the salt water is a corrosive. With all the horror going on I get a feeling some people WANT there to be a massive amount of deaths from radiation. Sickos. Landmark, they've shut down units before opening them because welds are bad, they have entire plants that have never really come to full operation. It is bad of course but the sick part are those wanting it to be worse.
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Well she did try to find an expert in the field but all the odd carriers were busy.
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