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Scott Xavier Inner circle 3672 Posts |
If you we're going to present a David Blaine Criss Angel style TV special, what mentalism effects would you include?
Mine: Spoon Bending Think A Card Revelation of a thought of Name Ring animation/levitation ...... |
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Jim Reynolds Elite user Special Guest 431 Posts |
I would avoid the magic tricks that have already been done by Blaine and Angel. That means no card tricks or levitations. I would also try to approach it from what may be possible for the spectators to do. Not how great I am...
From what I understand, there is already a "street" mentalism special in the works for prime time in the U.S. Stay tuned... JR |
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g0thike Special user 722 Posts |
I heard that Derren Brown is going to have a mentalism special on TV.
G0THIKE |
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ELS Regular user Chicagoland area, IL 191 Posts |
How about what I'm
doing, going to venture into showing paranormal stuff and interviews and at times work some bizzare magic or should I say Magick in to the show. Ed http://theunexplainedworld.com
Were the border between the natural and the supernatural will be nothing any more but fuzzy. http://edwardshanahan.com
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Scott Xavier Inner circle 3672 Posts |
Ed, the problem I see is that your mixing the "REAL" with what is being shown as a trick.
I'm just wonering what peoples thoughts we'e.... |
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chriscox Regular user London 174 Posts |
Derren Brown has already had 3 specials, 1 series and is currently working on 2 specials (Seance and Russian Roulette) and a 2nd Series.
Mentalism at it's best. |
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James Harrison Special user Ontario, Canada 762 Posts |
Chris, any chance you know when Derren will have his show appear in America.
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g0thike Special user 722 Posts |
Chris Cox wrote:
<<Derren Brown has already had 3 specials, 1 series and is currently working on 2 specials (Seance and Russian Roulette) and a 2nd Series. >> Yikes, Ok let me rephrase that. Derren Brown I heard thru the grapevine and a buddy of mine, is going to have a TV special in America. Ok let me rephrase which Amercia, North Amercica aka USA, United States. Not to be confused with South Or Central America since I don't think Derren Brown habla Espanol. G0THIKE |
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chriscox Regular user London 174 Posts |
I know Derren and his team are working on a USA special so possibly by the end of this year if your lucky lucky people.
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ELS Regular user Chicagoland area, IL 191 Posts |
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On 2003-08-04 19:01, Dr_Zodiac wrote: Hello Dr. Zodiac, Hmmm, what is considered real? Paranormal? Ouija Board? Ghosts in cemeteries? Haunted houses? An Individual that was stalked by demons (actually have the exclusive interview for the show)? Dreams or Psychic abilities? I cannot judge the feelings or fears of others as being real or fake. Maybe (and I received a couple e-mails), individuals are getting the concept as it will be presented mixed up. I will not be doing any 'tricks' when we are taping segments out in cemeteries, haunted locations etc.. with individuals. As suggestions for the mind is all that is needed to create magic or to be spooked, and can even happen to the individual throwing out or guiding with the suggestions (kind of like Bizarre Magic without the props of tricks). Some may understand totally what I'm saying here, some may not, but I learned a lot in this forum and also with M.M & M. and 13 steps, along with some other books, like seances = Keep it simple! So there is no getting caught for fraud, as it is in the mind, not set up with props, and hopefully things will go bump in the night, as we do have footage of a strange happening that was felt and seen. Now there will be some pendulum & tarot stuff shown on the show, but done as stated by a few in this group as readings, no cards appearing or disappearing. Who knows what else will be shown, maybe some mentalism (you were invited Dr. Z)? Time will tell as it will be broadcast in 40 suburban cities, but as far as combining the paranormal with tricks, it will not be done. Also I work in a way when doing mentalism, were I rather have people say 'wow - how the heck did he know' instead of doing stuff that leaves them with the thought 'He must of seen through the blindfold or bag'. Take care, Ed
Were the border between the natural and the supernatural will be nothing any more but fuzzy. http://edwardshanahan.com
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Scott Xavier Inner circle 3672 Posts |
Ed, very nicely put. The mind is the single most powerful tool we possess. When will the show be airing? Sorry we never really got any farther with the mentalism, I just had the "REAL" job which was draining me. I'm working on mentalism full time now, and promoting my mind reading, so if the offers still open I might just take it.
As for the phenomena, I'd be impressed to see any of it actually appearing under test conditions. |
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CardFan Elite user Found the Socks ! 430 Posts |
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On 2003-08-05 06:47, chriscox wrote: I saw 5 episodes in the first series. Did I missed one or more ?
Aiming to become the only magician in the world that has ever produced the lost socks back from the dryer...
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Patrick Redford Inner circle Michigan 1751 Posts |
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On 2003-08-05 18:41, ELS wrote: I understand what you’re speaking of. Environment, of course, can play a highly important role with the effectiveness of the reality a routine brings. Every performer should take envirnment into account when establishing a mood. If you're not establishing a mood, shame on you. You should be aptly shot. Perhaps not to that extreme. -George Tait |
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Scott Xavier Inner circle 3672 Posts |
I agree atmosphere is good, but using wiccan bars and priestesses seems sacreligous. Besides I hear potions closed (A Bar , don't ask). I just can't see looking for resurrection marry one minute and having someone demonstrate a glorpie the next....
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christopher carter Special user 660 Posts |
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I just can't see looking for resurrection marry one minute and having someone demonstrate a glorpie the next.... The only consistent 'rule' of performing I've ever discovered is that, just when you think something can't be done (or when you think that some way isn't the 'right' way), somebody comes along and does it well. --Chris |
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Scott Xavier Inner circle 3672 Posts |
Lets hope, I just have a problem with passing off magic as being legit! Especially to a feable minded audience. There are some cases when you have to say this is just a TRICK! Especially when the audience is believing its real, and has some mental issues. I get nut cases all the time believing in my GIFTS! They want me to cure them from psychic attacks, and heal their children. At this point I have to bow out gracefully and admit it is just an illusion otherwise we become scum and add to someones psychosis. I believe those who will be watching this public access TV show, may be just those who believe in wicca, crystals for curing, and mind reading. You may cause damage so tread softly. Its a REAL moral dillema we have to deal with as performers. Having someone bend spoons through magic on an episode where pk is claimed to be real, may warp and distort those believers views into belief in the pk which I have never seen to be real.
It is you job as a producer to oblige by your contract. If you are portraying pk, esp, ghosts in a real light, then your contract is to portray just those phenomena that are real, and possibly to expose if you know that there is trickery. Otherwise people are left with a false understanding of PK, esp, etc. And you are making a mockery of science. Ed these aren't pointed at you, just observations and struggles I have been having. |
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christopher carter Special user 660 Posts |
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It is you job as a producer to oblige by your contract. If you are portraying pk, esp, ghosts in a real light, then your contract is to portray just those phenomena that are real, and possibly to expose if you know that there is trickery. Otherwise people are left with a false understanding of PK, esp, etc. And you are making a mockery of science. So much for bizarre magic, then! You're free to your own moral dillemas, but I don't see why mocking science can't be a perfectly valid artistic choice. At the very least, I'd rather see a performer follow his own muse, then discuss the results, than to decide for him in advance what will or won't work. --Chris |
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Scott Xavier Inner circle 3672 Posts |
I would love to be able to perform like Uri Geller does, but I do not possess the gift of psychic ability. When someone has been vanquished from their own homeland (Israel) and has banckrupted magicians (Randi) with lawsuits and yet (Lots of ands I know...) has told a scientific community that he is psychic and yet has scientists claim that they have legitamently tested and proved this power, it is hurting society. People always say, whats the harm. The harm is science is a proven fact, not a fairy tale. When a performer bamboozles a complete planet by manipulating views to believe science is other then the way it is, is it not harmful and as such wrong?
I am a hipocrite though. I am passing off my "MAGIC" as being a psychological hightened ability. To a degree it is, but to a higher degree their just clever wrappings for interesting illusions. |
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christopher carter Special user 660 Posts |
I have no interest in debating Geller, the Philosophy of Science, or mentalism ethics. We are presented with a man developing a cable access tv show in which he apparently intends to juxtapose stories about supernatural and paranormal events with bizarre magick and maybe mentalism effects. I think it sounds great! I was raised on pseudo-documentaries narrated by the likes of Leonard Nimoy, and I eat this stuff up. I don't agree that mixing magic effects with paranormal stories is the equivalent of Geller, although to be honest, I get quite a kick out of Geller. Why don't we just wait to see how the tv shows turn out, and then start discussing its merits or drawbacks. Isn't it possible that it will play out differently than you seem to be envisioning it?
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ELS Regular user Chicagoland area, IL 191 Posts |
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On 2003-08-06 03:37, Dr_Zodiac wrote: Hi Dr. Zodiac, We'll have to see now about having you on the show, as we are about 5 months ahead with footage (and none has to do with any Hocus Pocus tricks with the paranormal), and others (ghost investigators etc; and I do not claim to be one), from out of state are sending me footage to be showcased on the program. So I guess that takes away any ideas that some may have that 'I' plan on doing some Hocus Pocus with the paranormal stuff, it would be real magic for me to appear on tape 'to create magic tricks' in a location 100's of miles away while working a job 10 to 15 hrs some days. Also the segments talking or explaining Wicca, Pagan, Magick, spells etc.., will be done by the High Priestess of a Coven, not by me, nor will I attempt to explain it, as I'm not an expert on the subject. She and I have been friends before the show was even a thought, and she knows my interests in life. The title of the show is: 'The Unexplained World' the name says it all. Dr. Zodiac, let's lighten up on each other. I'm not out to prove what is reality, as people will believe what they want as I stated before, nor will I showcase anyone that could be harmful to others. But I have seen miracles, even doctors called the turn around in the health of a child by that name, as the child was on the down slide to dying, and it was the Wicca and Pagan community I turned to (that is how much I respect their beleifs, even though I was raised Catholic), asking for their belief in their faith, to help bring a cure to the child. So as far as your comment: I'd be impressed to see any of it actually appearing under test conditions. I could tell you of a child who was dying of a blood disease, and even science (doctors), said it was by way of a miracle that the disease went away. Faith cannot be measured by science, and miracles can only be seen, but it takes belief to make those miracles happen Dr. Z. Let's not make judgements on what has not been viewed, as we both know, neither one of us is a true psychic. Take care Ed http://theunexplainedworld.com
Were the border between the natural and the supernatural will be nothing any more but fuzzy. http://edwardshanahan.com
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