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Hi everyone, this is one of my first posts on here and I've only been hypnotizing for a few months so I'm realitively new to hypnosis. I have some of the James Tripp material and almost all of the Anthony Jacquin productions, but I wanted to see of anyone could recommend me more! I love the idea of hypnosis without trance and waking hypnosis, does anyone have any waking hypnosis ideas they can recommend I look into other than what the sources I listed above cover?
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Don't get me wrong but with all this 'new wave' stuff, is it what your audiences want?

It somehow seems it's more like what the Hypnotist thinks is cool and the 'latest trend' rather than giving the audience what they want.

If someone says they are going to hypnotises people the audience have certain preconceptions of what hypnosis is and what to expect (Whether completely wrong or not)

One of the things they expect to see is something that looks like an induction (whether it is or isn't) and something that looks like a trance (whether it is or isn't)

Take those two things out and you are taking out two things that people expect to see in a hypnosis show and may damage their believability in what you are doing.

When first starting, one of the important things is to 'be the hypnotist' that includes acting like one and doing what the audience think a hypnotist should be doing.

Specialise later on by all means but get well practised at the basics first until you know them backwards.

Put on a show for the audience, not for you.
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Very well put.
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Finally some decent advice here. The problem is most people getting into hypnosis these days don't want to perform hypnosis or do a show, they just want to "do cool stuff" or "demonstrations"...Street Hypnosis.

The #1 golden rule of entertainment (any type of entertainment) is to give the audience what they want or what they expect, not what you want or what is "cool" to you. Unfortunately to many performers overlook this or simply just don't get this.
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Yeah I do things that entertain, but everyone is so afraid of "trance" and the whole sleep aspect of it for some reason. Basicly the number one golden rule of entertainment has me at a crossroads, people want see it or experience it, but everyone thinks that someone is going to mess with them or whatever while they are "asleep". I present things well and set up a good approach, its just that I love the idea of doing things in a state where the participants don't feel like they are in trance and that no ones going to mess with them really seems to be a better selling point.
I should also mention since I got a message regarding it, that I did not steal the aforementioned material, quite the opposite I worked at panera bread scraping together for months to get what I thought would be the best introduction to hypnosis and how to use it along side doing magic. I am just a senior in high school that really wants to be an entertainer that people talk about and get people thinking in my community.
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On 2011-03-13 17:40, Mindpro wrote:
Finally some decent advice here. The problem is most people getting into hypnosis these days don't want to perform hypnosis or do a show, they just want to "do cool stuff" or "demonstrations"...Street Hypnosis.

The #1 golden rule of entertainment (any type of entertainment) is to give the audience what they want or what they expect, not what you want or what is "cool" to you. Unfortunately to many performers overlook this or simply just don't get this.


To be fair, I do come from many years of entertainment long before doing hypnosis, so I understand, whatever the act, you are there to at least attempt to entertain the audience first and do what you want to do second. It did take me a few years to learn that when I started in entertainment.

It's a hard lesson to learn when you are doing something that you enjoy but it just doesn't jell with the crowd, yet that very thing that you are sick of doing, the crowd scream out for more.
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"Yeah I do things that entertain, but everyone is so afraid of "trance" and the whole sleep aspect of it for some reason. Basicly the number one golden rule of entertainment has me at a crossroads, people want see it or experience it, but everyone thinks that someone is going to mess with them or whatever while they are "asleep"."

And that is where the pretalk comes in. It is there to suppress their fears and get them wanting and willing to take part. If it isn't doing that then it needs fixing as that is it's only job.
Don't get me wrong, it may be a wonderful speech, but it's not doing what it's meant to.

Fix that and you will have fixed the whole thing.
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What you are looking for is Zapped by Ricki Dunn, or The People Sticker Routine by Eddie Burke, or the Dr Q routine. All pseudo hypnosis routines that can be done without hypnotising anyone.

Alternatively you could just learn to do it. If you are a hypnotist people expect hypnosis. If they are afraid you are doing something wrong. You need to work on your approach.
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This is a classic example of someone who does magic wanting to add hypnosis. This is greatly different from actually learning to be a hypnotist and then performing hypnosis.
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...or you could use the fake shortcuts Tony has offered.
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Mindpro, not at all, I really do want to perform hypnosis too and be the hypnotist but I want to use it with my magic too like James Brown and Ant have done so well. I just want to learn more ideas to add to my arsenal of ideas to work with, Im not some half devoted stereotype magic guy. I really want to learn this stuff and be a hypnotherapist as well as an entertainer someday.
Tony, I may look into those as convincers thank you for the tip!
Shrubsole, I really doubt I am giving the worlds best pretalk to try to sell my hypnosis to my audience which probably is a good reason why people are so wierd about the idea of being hypnotized. Could you possibly PM me or something about some scripting ideas that you use?

Thanks for all the responces so far, but still if anyone can point me in the right direction to some more waking hypnosis ideas or even some reccomended reading I would really appriciate the help!
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On 2011-03-13 18:47, TonyB2009 wrote:
Alternatively you could just learn to do it. If you are a hypnotist people expect hypnosis. If they are afraid you are doing something wrong. You need to work on your approach.


This simply the best advice on the planet... and for everyone. Why oh why would any one want to do anything other than the 'learn the stuff, then practice the stuff?'
Can anyone claim that there's a better idea out there?
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Well, magician 336, to answer their questions about hypnosis and so put them at ease, you have to know a bit about hypnosis.

What is it that they are scared of - and what is the answer to that?

An example:
"I ain't doing it coz you are going o take over my body and make me do things I don't want to do!" - What can you say to put them at ease?

Also, I'm sorry but age does carry some weight (it's about the only benefit age brings!) - Replying "No, cos I promise I won't do that" from someone who is young is not going to be believed and it's also not how an older person talks.

So basically you have to sound knowledgeable without trying to sound like a 40 year old. To say something knowledgeable you of course have to have some knowledge.

In explaining hypnosis to them to suppress their fears, (something that will help you no end) you have to know what hypnosis is or at least an explanation of it that they can understand and identify with. If you liken it to a normal natural process that they already do many times a day, then there is nothing to fear as it's something they do themselves naturally. Show them some examples using the set pieces and carry one from their. But only if they want to go there and that is up to your leading them there. Ask them to help you, it's not something you do to them or at them. They have to take part.

You want to get them at least to a stage where they are interested and WANTING to continue as you will make little progress trying to force them to go anywhere they don't want to.

You also have the hurdle of age to overcome.

Also the jump from Mentalism to hypnosis is far less of a gap than: "... and your signed Ace of Spades is in my wallet, now lay back and cluck like a chicken!" Smile

Hypnosis is not hard, but can be made 10 times harder if you try and take short cuts. You say that you have 'almost all of the Anthony Jacquin productions' well that's a good start. Learn them!
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Those are truely words of wisdom, thank you Smile I totally agree that there are a lot of hurdles to over come, it was a really difficult struggle to even get to where I am now and I want to become a lot better too! Like in my home town of Delaware, Ohio I am the only person almost anyone has even come in contact with that is a magician and now my reputation as the hypnotist is growing as people talk about what they have experienced so hopefully that will help me too on my journey
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Magician 336, I agree with what Shrubsole has written, but I think there's another very important part of the pre-talk. That pre-talk does help overcome objections, but there is another thing it has to do: it must sell you as what Ant calls THE HYPNOTIST. You have to show via words, body language, and what the great acting coach Stanislavski called "rays." Today we might call it "vibes." To draw a comparison, a 10-year-old might learn the technical moves of a French Drop yet not be able to deceive as well as someone who is not as technically proficient because he doesn't believe that he took the coin with his other hand.

So the pre-talk has to overcome objections, let people see that you know you are THE HYPNOTIST, and one more thing, perhaps the most important thing. It has to get people to like you. If people like you they will do what you ask. If they do what you ask they will go into hypnosis. If they don't like you they won't trust you, and if they don't trust you they won't do what you say. Therefore, they won't go into hypnosis.

How do you get people to like you? There are lots of things you can do. Smile. Use body language that shows you are friendly and trustworthy. Show that you are open and honest not closed and deceptive.

By the time you finish your pre-talk, people should trust you and literally be aching to go into hypnosis. Some may already be partially or totally in trance just as a result of a good pre-talk.

You might look at the book Instant Rapport by Brooks. That can help. Richard Nongard also has a DVD called "Stage Hypnosis Pre-Talk and Induction" that might help
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You could also keep an eye out for James Brown's new book which should be out soon....

Shameless plug for which I am truly sorry Smile

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James, after seeing you in action I will be looking out for it. What will it be called, and when can we expect it?
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What is it called and where can we get it James?

Can you tell us a little what it is about?

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I want the buble book, and I want it NOW!!!

Or sooner plus P&P.

:lol:
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All in good time, all in good time....
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