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On 2011-03-24 08:45, jerome96114 wrote:
Reminds me a bit on that Video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpL7YKraoyI

:)


I LOVED this :0) I am still smiling. thank you for sharing.

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On 2011-03-24 01:33, sleightlysilas wrote:
I think a lot of us are guilty of losing the "spark". Especially those who make a living out of it.

Whenever pros (by definition us who use magic to pay bills, not necessarily pro meaning good at it, because I wouldn't dare clasify myself under that) see magic, couple of first thoughts would be "that's hardly practical" "can't do that walk around" "hard to transition from that" "audience can't connect with that patter" that sort of thing.

It's actually laymen and most hobbyists who remind me that "hey, this magic stuff is cool and I love doing it."

Despite having to scrape the bottom of the barrel on lean seasons, I'd say were the lucky few who can work for something as fun and awesome as this art.


Right. Magic is super-fun and it should always stay that way. No matter if you're just beginning or if you're David Copperfield. It should always stay fun. And that is why I AM a magician. I love it, and I have fun doing it.
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People always want to show me card tricks after a friendly game of cards. I always encourage them, I play laymen even though I might know how the trick is done or think to know how its done. I even asked them "How the Hell you did that" question. I was once there in those shoes as most of us where we wanted to show what we learned and amaze others.

Its a great thing to see when others are showing a passion for magic or just a good trick they learned to show friends. More so for me when a child is showing that interest in it.
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Many of these story's I share in similar personal memory's. Whenever, I am blessed to witness someone else perform I get a kick out of being the most enthusiastic spectator. It seems to help elevate the experience for all. And for me it's the best compliment you can pay to the art.
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On 2011-03-24 14:44, ralphs007 wrote:
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On 2011-03-24 12:11, Cyberqat wrote:
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On 2011-03-24 00:10, ralphs007 wrote:
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I was just thinking about this the other day. Except what if they blew me away and I had no clue how they did it ?


Then tell them, and congratulate them on a job well done.

As I said, be generous with the spotlight. It doesn't always have to be on you and people are more likely to let you take it when you need it if you are generous with it when you don't.

Congratulating them goes without saying. I'm not a glory hound! I'm just a hobbyist who was wondering how I'd go about learning the effect they just showed me. I'm sure I'd have to exchange one of my effects with them.
I'd love to be shown some magic from friends and other people I worked with. It just never really happens.


Oh yeah, if you want to learn it then ask. Bu then again, I'm much less of a bug about "the secret" then soem others around here. I don't tell laymen because, in the end, they really do have more fun if they don't know-- whether they realize that or not. But among fellow magicians, I actually enjoy sharing clever props and methods and see nothing wrong with it, frankly. If your product is so lame that there is ONLY value in its "secret" then IMHo you shouldn't be selling it. At bear minimum, your teaching should be strong enough to warrant its purchase.

In general I think magicians can cross the line to being fetishists when it comes to "secrets" and it isn't healthy. We are (or should be) far more then just people who "know something you don't".

If you are concerned about the other person's serious ness, then make it a one for one teaching trade.
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Hi Cyberqat
It would have to be one hell of an effect for me to swap secrets! I won't even tell my Wife how anything is done! I remember when she found my TT with a red silk stuffed in it. It fell out of my pocket. It still bugs me to this day that the secret was lost. What really bothers me is the mystery of that effect is gone for her. Even though it's an old and over exposed trick,it still gets great reactions from those seeing it for the first time.
I still savor the fact that my older brother still ask me how I did an effect over 40 years ago.
"You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him".
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CQ and I have not agreed completely in the past, and I think I understand a little better now where he’s coming from. Yes, around “the guys” we will sometimes share or swap favorite moves or ideas. It’s the “laymen” who need to be kept guessing.

My wife knows most of my stuff, because she’s figured it out on her own! (She’s a doctor, and comes from a family of Mensans; she never joined, but has the highest IQ of them all. Hmmm…)

There are a few things she still doesn’t get, and I do enjoy having my “secrets”. I think it helps me get better, learning how to keep her from “back-tracking”.

I think most people enjoy having a secret (a harmless one, mind you!) I used a confederate in a recent show. Her boyfriend was sitting right next to her and had no idea. I could tell from the gleam in her eyes that she REALLY enjoyed that, and will keep my secret forever!
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On 2011-03-25 14:11, DWRackley wrote:
CQ and I have not agreed completely in the past, and I think I understand a little better now where he’s coming from. Yes, around “the guys” we will sometimes share or swap favorite moves or ideas. It’s the “laymen” who need to be kept guessing.

My wife knows most of my stuff, because she’s figured it out on her own! (She’s a doctor, and comes from a family of Mensans; she never joined, but has the highest IQ of them all. Hmmm…)


That's probably why she never joined. Smile

I was never a big fan of MENSA. IMHO They make too much of a deal about traditional and academic problem solving and fail to credit many other forms of intelligence.
The "wrong" answer, as I discovered studying for my SATs, is far often the more creative and deeper reasoned one.

I've threatened a few times to become a card carrying member of DENSA for that reason.

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I think most people enjoy having a secret (a harmless one, mind you!) I used a confederate in a recent show. Her boyfriend was sitting right next to her and had no idea.
I could tell from the gleam in her eyes that she REALLY enjoyed that, and will keep my secret forever!


Sure. I was picked to shill once at a magic show and my wife really enjoyed being "in the know".

But when "I know something you don't" becomes the raison detre for knowing it, and/or you need OTHERS to know you know something they don't, then, IMHO, its a sign of a glaring character flaw. (Usually over-compensated inferiority feelings.)
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On 2011-03-25 14:22, Cyberqat wrote:
That's probably why she never joined. Smile

We’ve joked about that in the past. Probably true! I was a member for a couple years back in the 80s. It was fun for a while, but found no real depth. Got bored.
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I was never a big fan of MENSA. IMHO They make too much of a deal about traditional and academic problem solving and fail to credit many other forms of intelligence.

There are some forms of intelligence that simply can’t be measured with the understanding and technology we have now. Those “other” intelligences are what usually helps us to succeed in life, and probably explains why there are so many “under-employed” Mensans.
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The "wrong" answer, as I discovered studying for my SATs, is far often the more creative and deeper reasoned one.

My personal pet hatred was the so-called “Inductive Reasoning” tests. I don’t have a strong enough vocabulary to properly express my loathing for those things! There is ALWAYS more than one “right” answer, and I usually disagreed with the test-maker over which was the correct one.

Back to topic, I have on occasion given some constructive advice when I see someone who really wants to do a good job in their performance. Sometimes it’s received, other times it’s not appreciated. That too, tells me something about where they are in regard to learning magic.
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DWR 100% agreed on those tests.

I was a national merit scholar, but only because I learned to "dumb down" my answers by taking practice tests.

When they say they want "the best answer" they really mean "the most obvious one."
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There is a saying, I forget who said it, but:

The correct answer is usually the most obvious one.
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I get the impression that the whole point of being a member of MENSA is so that you can say you are a member of MENSA.
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On 2011-03-25 20:46, Erwin wrote:
I get the impression that the whole point of being a member of MENSA is so that you can say you are a member of MENSA.

"I'd never be a member of any club that would have me as a member"
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On 2011-03-25 18:27, satellite23 wrote:
There is a saying, I forget who said it, but:

The correct answer is usually the most obvious one.


Sounds pretty much like what "Occam's Razor" has become.
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On 2011-03-26 01:45, DWRackley wrote:
Sounds pretty much like what "Occam's Razor" has become.


Yeah, that's it. I just didn't say it perfect.
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I'm really big into customer service and I like to speak to every person who walks by me in the store. The other night I was at work in the deli and a customer walked by and I gave the ol' "Good evenin' how are ya?" and it was an older man and he turned to me and said "I'm glad you're here!"

(I've never seen this man in my life)

He walked over to my glass case and pulled out a chain like a dogtag chain and a big ring, perhaps 3 inches in diameter. He began to perform the effect where you drop the ring with the chain through it and it ties itself on there.

After 3 or 4 minutes when he finished, I asked how long he had been doing magic and he insisted he bought these things at Lowe's and he was a truck driver yadda yadda yadda....

So I came to the conclusion that either he is just making up things as we go, or he was sincerely telling the truth and someone taught him a trick of physics that requires no magic skill or knowledge. I began to explain to him that have wanted to be a magician all of my life but nobody would ever teach me and I could only learn hands on.

I pulled a shoestring from my pocket and asked if I could borrow his ring as I did Johnny Ace Palmer's routine where the ring jumps on and off of the string. At the end I laid the shoestring on the counter and FT'd the ring from my right to left hand and picked up the string and placed it over my right shoulder, and when I revealed that it had vanished from my left hand he was astonished. When I pulled the shoestring over my shoulder and the ring was attached to it his face was priceless!
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What a great story!
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Wow, that is quite a story!
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That is s great story, and those are the priceless moments that live with you. We are all blessed to have such an inspirational outlet and tool to bring a bit of joy to others! :o)
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On 2011-03-27 23:14, NexusMagicShop wrote:
That is s great story, and those are the priceless moments that live with you. We are all blessed to have such an inspirational outlet and tool to bring a bit of joy to others! :o)


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