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fergie33 New user 90 Posts |
After requesting advice and help from the Café within a few weeks I succesfully started to hypnotize people! I did it to this kid in school and he went really deep into trance. I started doing all types of crazy things, telling him hes miley cyrus, hes nakes etc. to end it I told him the chair was his really hot gf and I told him to F*** the chair....so he did and my school got in on camera and is suspending me for 5 days!..they complaint was that he was a minor and cant make that decison for himself to be hypnotized without a parent consent. I'm also a minor though. I thought if he agreded he wanted to be hypnotized I couldn't get in trouble. can someone clarify this, thanks -chris
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RandyM Special user 579 Posts |
Although I have not hypnotized anyone yet,(I'm in the learning stage) you must understand that this is an art and should not be taken lightly. YOU owe it to the art to be tactful and understand that. You are in school and on their turf to LEARN. You took advantage of someone because you could. Did you even give him a proper wake-up?? If you did, what if teachers intervened before you could. I don't know how old you are but I can assume by your post that you are not mature enough to accept the responsibility of this art and should cease doing it until you are.
I know my words are harsh for you but they need to be considering this art is not game! You owe it to the art and yourself to be mindful of Safety. That should be first priority. What would of happened if the suggestions you were giving were not clear and he simply ran from you!! Did you even consider that??? My guess is NO! As far as the suspension for 5 days, well consider yourself Lucky. If it were dishing it out I most definately would of started with a swift kick in the A**. I"m sure others here would gladly stand in line to do the same. Hopefully your bright enough to STOP until you can accept the responsibility that comes with this. Have some Morals. Would you still think this was funny or ok to do to someone if a person did this to a loved one of your?? What if this was done to your mother, father, brother, sister. Understand Chris this is not something to be taken lightly. Take the 5 days to really think about all that could of gone wrong. RandyM |
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Mindpro Eternal Order 10587 Posts |
..and herein lies the types of problems with this type of "hypnosis" from unskilled players. I don't buy this for a minute. I find it hard to believe an unskilled person could do true hypnosis just on what is offered here on the Café.
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RandyM Special user 579 Posts |
Ah, I notice that now... I agree with you mindpro, very hard to believe how do this on just the Café'. You tube has tons though that one could begin to grasp it. But , yes very hard to believe. In any event if it's true I stand by my scolding.
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Chris Meece Special user Somerset Kentucky 864 Posts |
You had him F the chair?! Come on man you had to have known that was inappropriate. Of course you got in trouble, do you really need this explained to you? Minor or not, you should be old enough to know better.
Aren't you the one who was asking how to yank someone's arm out of socket to induce?
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dmkraig Inner circle 1949 Posts |
If you look through Fergie's past posts, you'll see that he's been getting all sorts of advice. Although I doubted it at first, I'm inclined to think he actually did it.
Fergie, people under the legal age are not allowed to make contracts. It doesn't matter if you're a minor in this. You functioned on an invalid contract and now you're experiencing the result. To all the experts here telling people that they don't need in-person training, just buy some book, this is the result: a kid who has another kid imitating sex at school. Fergie, I have just two more things to say to you. You have successfully humiliated someone in school, perhaps scarring him for life. Now, for the rest of your life, you're going to be responsible for that kid's behaviors. As far as I'm concerned you're a self-centered, know-it-all punk. If I were your school I'd have expelled you and forced your parents to pay for both private school for you and psychological counseling for the kid you humiliated. Second: if you want to learn hypnosis GO TO AN IN-PERSON TRAINING. Otherwise, just stop being an ***. Hypnosis is for adults, and if you want to do hypnosis start acting like an adult instead of a punk. Either that or just give up hypnosis and go back to card tricks. |
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Owen Mc Ginty Special user not a stupid user, a special user. 533 Posts |
Fergie - you expect to get more volunteers to be hypnotized after humiliating someone like that in school?
Nevermind the safety aspects which you probably skipped! There are people that you should NOT hypnotize, to name but a few: * epileptics - imagine they have a fit, seriously injure themselves - then you´re in very nasty legal territory * people with depression - you´ll more than likely be blamed for worsening it and they´ll want treatment costs. * schizophrenics.... don´t even get into it.... If you don´t know the rest of the list of people you shouldn´t hypnotize, then quite frankly you shouldn´t be hypnotizing them. If you don´t know what an ab-reaction is and how to handle it, then you shouldn´t be hypnotizing. You´ve already learned a lesson (I hope) about what you should or should not be doing with someone once they are hypnotized. But you should complete your research and learning about entertainment hypnosis before continuing to hypnotize people, otherwise you will more than likely do harm to both yourself AND others. A 5 day suspension isn´t a heavy punishment in the grand scale of things. Sounds like you´re lucky you don´t live in a place where people think that hypnosis is the work of the devil
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Anthony Jacquin Inner circle UK 2220 Posts |
Fergie,
one day when you are a great hypnotist this will be your back story that no one believes. In the meantime common sense, simple common sense. If you do not have a sense for the appropriate boundaries or times when it is safe and appropriate then hold fire on hypnotizing. Ensure you have a complete system and when old enough and affordable get some in person training. And don't forget. It's just imagination. Ant
Anthony Jacquin
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
Being suspened is just imagination? "just"?
Imagination is probably the most powerful force on the planet. Everything you take for granted was concieved from the imagination good and bad. |
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Pakar Ilusi Inner circle 5777 Posts |
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On 2011-03-23 21:49, fergie33 wrote: I'm sorry, but...
"Dreams aren't a matter of Chance but a matter of Choice." -DC-
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Zerububle Elite user Poole 430 Posts |
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On 2011-03-24 09:50, mindpunisher wrote: Oh great! Once again MP leaps in with a misquote. Hypnosis IS just imagination. No mention whatsoever that the suspension was imagination. No one is saying that imagination isn't a powerful force either. Ant and the other poster's are right, chris is lacking in maturity in this matter and does need in person training when he is old enough (and mature enough) to benefit. Until then he should refrain from hypnotising. The problem isn't that he hypnotised someone the problem is WHERE he did it, WHO he did it to and WHAT he did. Chris - make the most of these comments and learn from them. In time this will be an excellent anecdote for dinner parties. Till then LEARN from your mistake and grow. |
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Chris Meece Special user Somerset Kentucky 864 Posts |
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On 2011-03-24 16:58, Zerububle wrote: Very good point, bad experiences can make for very great stories down the road. I have only been on one blind date in my life and although it was horrible at the time, it is one of my favorite stories to tell my buddies today.
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dmkraig Inner circle 1949 Posts |
With great respect to Ant and Chris, this isn't just about Fergie and something to laugh about or a story to tell in years to come. He totally humiliated another person, someone who is going to have to live with those feelings of humiliation for the rest of his life. "Yeah, it's just a bizarre story, but when I was a kid I sliced off the arm of another guy. Ha, ha, ha. Isn't that funny?"
No. It's not funny. It's not something to laugh about in the future. It's not something to be taken lightly. From his post, Fergie is absolutely clueless as to the damage and harm he's done. He also doesn't realize the vicious inner core that was revealed in his actions. He's in need of psychological counseling, and his parents should be forced to pay for the counseling the kid this punk hypnotized and humiliated. |
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fergie33 New user 90 Posts |
With great respect to Ant and Chris .... this PUNK hypnotized and humiliated... I loled when I read that. With all do respect who are you to call me a punk? it frustrates me that people these days can be ignorent and cocky especially when there nobodys. ik that sounds harsh but that is truly the way I feel. the kid is fine with what happened he thought it was hilarious when he saw the video, and thinks its redicoulous that I'm getting suspend. the kid has recieved a lot of publicty in school from it and loves it. so I did luck out there as far as that. he is far from humilated. It could have been a lot worse and I couldve been in really deep s***. I am not a punk and I am not a know it all. I know very little( I'm been looking into hypnosis for about a month), which is why I'm on the Café, to get advice and help from people who do know what their talking about. I didn't plan on making him f the chair,my goal wasnt to harm or humilate this kid. It was to entertaine people, I just took it too far. I agree that was immature and stupid on my part. I was getting a huge crowd, people were laughing and I did it in the heat of the moment knowing I would get a great reaction without thinking of the conquinses which I now have to pay. thanks every one who put meaning behind there post I do appreciate it. and once again if I sounds liek a "punk" please udnerstand that your missunderstanding the interpitation of my post.
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Zerububle Elite user Poole 430 Posts |
Hmmm a bit of a strawman arguament
While I agree that Chris didn't behave admirably there is an assumptive jump to suggest that the kid he hypnotised has been scarred for life. For all we know the experience was a fun and uplifting one (though it may not have been). Many stage hypnotists have done for worse to their subjects (consent notwithstanding). What is important here is that Chris learns from this and moves forward. Repeatedly bashing him for this is pointless in all respects. To say he has a vicious core and needs psychological counselling is also a bit far fetched and raises a few questions about your own views and ideologies. He is a child behaving childishly with a new toy he doesn't understand. Therefore lets help him understand it and assist in his development rather than branding him in this way. Chris made a mistake, one that may well have NO other consequence than his suspension. The other child involved may well have NO ill effects whatsoever - Lets get all the facts before making judgement... As they say - Only a fool makes a decision without knowkledge I trust Dmcraig that you are no fool |
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
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On 2011-03-24 16:58, Zerububle wrote: Actually bubble I don't think it is a misquote. Encouraging minors on a forum to go out and create altered states in others really is the problem not the poster. Past threads have been pretty rediculous. But I don't expect you to see that. But remember my misquote is just your imagination... Using the descriptor "just" really sums up what you guys think hypnosis is....a party trick... Its like having a monkey drive a ferrari.. And unfortunately monkeys breed monkeys....its the only off spring they can have... At least this green jungle will be full of it soon.. |
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Zerububle Elite user Poole 430 Posts |
I assume youre just goading as usual.
I don't see hypnosis as a party trick neither have I or will I. I take it extremely seriously thanks. This us and them mentality is getting very tired. Just because I don't do stge hypnosis or practice therapy doesn't make me a monkey driving a Ferrari. Would it be possible to hear a different argument from you rather than this repetitive and narrow minded rant... Probably not. Bobster assures me that you are quite an intellegant and knowledgable person. I await confirmation of either. |
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
>>>>Would it be possible to hear a different argument from you rather than this repetitive and narrow minded rant... Probably not.<<<
How can an "argument" be any different when the other side is so narrow and always the same? Or when it hears something it doesn't like throws a tantrum and kicks off. You have loads of confirmation in so many ways. I guess you just can't quite grasp it. Maybe you aren't as intellegent or as knowledgable as you think. If you think hypnosis IS "just" imagination then I guess it always will be for you... |
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Doc Regal New user 28 Posts |
Based on what was presented here, the facts are Fergie is a young student who was reprimanded and expelled for disrespectful behavior in school. Whether or not he was using hypnosis really mattered not. Yet, as a budding hypnotist it sounds like he did just fine and delivered an entertaining show. From this point forward, may he benefit from this experience, learn how to better use his skills and stay out of trouble.
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dmkraig Inner circle 1949 Posts |
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On 2011-03-24 17:44, Zerububle wrote: You're right. I'm not a fool. Nor do I think that having a child pretend to be having sex with chairs in front of their friends isn't going to humiliate him. You may be far enough away from childhood and school to think that's not going to have an effect, but I'm not. Nor is a child coming up with the idea of having another kid act out having sex with a chair "normal." I'm not a fool, and I don't think that a child coming up with the idea of acting sexually with a chair is normal. If you think children should be sexualized in thinking about sex with objects, then you'd better look up "paraphilia" and think about counseling for yourself. |
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