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Zerububle Elite user Poole 430 Posts |
Is this a forum for stage hypnosis or a forum for serious discussion on the art and practice of hypnosis?
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
I believe it was intended to be the former. I am not certain. That is as far into this discussion as I choose to wade.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
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On 2011-03-25 17:02, Zerububle wrote: You can answer that either way and follow it by another question --- what are 90+% of you doing on here? |
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Aaron Little Loyal user Lexington KY 263 Posts |
I actually thought this forum was for the who, what, where, when, why, and how of entertainment hypnosis.
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
Whatever it was intended to be I don't think it was meant to be a shoddy training ground where the blind and irresponsable lead the blind and irresponsable.
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bobser Inner circle 4178 Posts |
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On 2011-03-25 18:18, mindpunisher wrote: And the great thing is that if you are in the 90% then you can do any thing you want since you will be in the vast majority, and whatever you say will GO! And those in the remaining 10% should be very quiet and understand that they are in the tiny minority. Now then, who could possibly argue with that, hmmm? bobser (I'm in the 90% by the way)
Bob Burns is the creator of The Swan.
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TonyB2009 Inner circle 5006 Posts |
I'm in the 10% - but I probably disagree with them, so I am in the 10% of the 10%. I guess I am just a disagreeable guy.
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
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On 2011-03-26 17:36, bobser wrote: Its in the minority that anything worthwhile happens...the rest are pale imitations...a mere blurred photocopy of those that are the real skilled...the result of "lag time" catching up... You aren't even insured your a liability unprofessional and a bit of a hypnotic twat... But like I said in previous posts monkeys can only breed monkeys.. At least youl never be lonely.... |
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Zerububle Elite user Poole 430 Posts |
So, more bile from MP then.
Pictures may paint a thousand words but your words paint a very ugly picture of you. It may not bother you that you are judged on your posts but you are judged... And been found wanting. |
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
That's right bubble I'm a nasty guy...gee imagine I use swear words like insurance and safety on a regular basis. Maybe you should get me banned?
Its a fact the majority on here know nothing or very little but think they know everything. If you can't see that then you must be one of them. Go out and do some party tricks make someone happy. Or you can always encourage some teenager on here to go out and assault someone... Either way stay clear of nasty guys like me...the truth isn't always a nice thing to some... And that ugly picture YOU paint in YOUR mind....remember "its just imagination". Maybe you should get some therapy.. I hear you can get it for free in pubs or even on the streets these days. |
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Zerububle Elite user Poole 430 Posts |
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On 2011-03-27 09:38, mindpunisher wrote: So, plenty of logical fallacy here then and very little rational debate. Little wonder I, like many others here, find you a rather vulgar opinionated and petty individual (ad homonym - now I'm doing it... Shiite) I will say it one more time just to allow it to sink in... Not everyone who performs outside o the realms of stage hypnosis is badly trained. The majority wouldn't advocate dangerous behaviour of any sort nor are we monkeys training monkeys. Your insistence to tar everybody with the same brush shows nothing but ignorance. I am aware that there are some who behave foolishly or even dangerously - I'm not ignorant. I recognise the greyness of life- it's called balance. For someone who pontificates about his great and superior knowledge you seem to excercise very little communicative skill on this board. Yes I am targeting you personally, maybe I shouldn't, but you really have peed me off with your unsubstantiated drivel... Particularly when it comes to your presupposition that I am one of these dangerous street hypnotists that you seem to think exist in pandemic numbers. Although I don't have the factual evidence to prove it, the anecdotal evidence points to you being a tw@t James Brown Professional Opportunist |
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dmkraig Inner circle 1949 Posts |
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On 2011-03-27 15:09, Zerububle wrote: That's absolutely true. I know some excellent hypnotists who perform outside of the stage who are well trained and even train others. Quote:
The majority wouldn't advocate dangerous behaviour of any sort nor are we monkeys training monkeys. Wow! When did you have a chance to interview all of the people who perform outside of stage venues to determine that "the majority" of them wouldn't advocate dangerous behavior? Respectfully, I am sure that many would not do so. Many whom I know and who are well-trained would never do so. I would suggest, however, that the problem isn't with well-trained hypnotists who perform off stage advocating dangerous behaviors. I think that's a bit of a red herring. The problem is with poorly trained people, such as the OP, not even knowing what dangerous behavior is. Worse, like the OP, they don't even seem to care whether they harm someone as long as they can have a bit of sadistic fun at another's expense. I don't mean to pick on the OP. Look at the video of "Zap!" The ads show a person who clearly doesn't know the real methodology of a pattern interrupt instant induction and replaces it with almost tearing arms from sockets and throwing people to the ground. They don't care. Quote:
I am aware that there are some who behave foolishly or even dangerously - I'm not ignorant. I recognise the greyness of life- it's called balance. If you want to have that sort of "balance" in your own life, as an adult, that's fine. That's up to you. However doing it with others without their explicit understanding and ability to understand is simply taking advantage of others. "Let me hypnotize you. It'll be fun." "OK" hypnosis "Now, have sex with that chair in front of everyone. Next, eat your dog's excrement and think it's apple tart." How is this "balance?" This is just abuse. Oh, and I usually agree with your perceptions of MP. |
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Zerububle Elite user Poole 430 Posts |
I think you misunderstood my comment about balance. I was referring to the many ways in which hypnosis can be performed and the different styles of performance. I have always avoided anything that makes the subject look stupid. I want the audience to wish they had been picked (volunteered) rather than thanking their stars they hadn't.
I'm still sure that the majority of street hypnotists behave appropriately. Maybe I just like giving the benefit of the doubt though. I really just wanted to highlight the logical fallacy in MP's arguments. Ironically I ended up using a few myself. |
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dmkraig Inner circle 1949 Posts |
I am not criticizing you for what you do in your shows.
If I misunderstood what you were trying to present, I apologize. In reading over your original statement I still find it fits my comments even if that wasn't your intent. It reads as if you are trying to justify inappropriate behavior on the part of some performance hypnotists, and I respectfully disagree with that position. Just because people do it doesn't justify it. I'm inclined to think you agree with that. |
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Zerububle Elite user Poole 430 Posts |
Indeed I do
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
Most street hypnotists I have seen on youtube do not behave appropriately. They do not waken subjects up properly -- in fact one the biggest names has videos of people in the street being turned into statues in a hijack fashion. And is reveared on here. The street is not and never will be an appropriate place for hypnotists. Its just ****in stupid.
And it totally amazes me that you can be so sure when most of them are kids that bought cheap dvd sets and have no or little training at all. And I'll repeat it again most of the "leaders" on here are still learning they have only but a basic grasp of hypnosis. They are monkeys driving a ferrarri... One day once you catch up you might look back and see the truth. Or you might rename a few old concepts and convince yourself you've created something new and never move forward which looks more like the case. But I guess whatever floats your boat. |
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dmkraig Inner circle 1949 Posts |
Respectfully, MP, you're assuming that what is shown on YouTube is complete. Having seen people give such performances, I know that at least some are not. If someone learns from watching those videos, their training is sadly lacking.
Recently, a person I know asked me to review the manuscript of her crime novel. Much of the science was based on what she had seen on TV. Often those crime shows either make things that take weeks into tests taking minutes or show things that are completely wrong when compared to the reality. If the pros screw around like that, certainly those who are not pro TV producers can do so, too. |
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
The thing is she had the choice copy the tv or do her own research. Often copying the tv is the fast cheap shortcut. But theres always choice. And its easier to copy those that have the basic skills. Its always more difficult to get to the real stuff at least that has always been my experience. you have to work to get it. Excellence is a life long quest. A large number on here think they can learn hypnosis in a morning. I am certainly still learning after 20 years.
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dmkraig Inner circle 1949 Posts |
First, MP, you're changing the subject which had to do with my last line: if the pros screw with facts, the amateurs on You Tube can do so, too. That means people think they're getting the full story when they're not. You ignored this in your response.
But second, and more important, people only have choice if they KNOW they have a choice. When I helped start a phone counseling line at my university, one of the most common calls we received was from people who didn't know that there were choices available to them. The person who sent me the manuscript had no reason to assume that the TV lies were not reality. She didn't know there was even a choice to be had. Your logic is that of the personal to general fallacy. "It worked for me so it has to work for everyone else." But there's no reason to make that jump. If people don't know that TV or You Tube isn't telling the truth, they have no reason to look anywhere else. |
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
Actually DM I haven't changed the subject. The TV company makes entertainment they are pros at creating entertainment not scientific research. Its like going to a tabloid newspaper for facts. She didn't do REAL research. Instead she took the easy route depending on someone else to have done the research for her.
Im pretty shure if she had wanted to she could've researched the subject thoroughly. Perhaps you are right she never knew of the choices. But now she does if you chose to point that out. Its called progress. Sometimes we go down the wrong road as part of experience. Even still someone who writes should know they have to do research. And the internet makes that much easier than any time in our history. Now of course she has learned her lesson (I assume). In other words she now knows. Even when it becomes known most will still take the easy route. On here you can point out basic things and they will be argued against by almost complete beginners. They don't listen. Why should they in their minds they have already arrived! >>>>Your logic is that of the personal to general fallacy. "It worked for me so it has to work for everyone else."<<<<< that's not my logic it seems it was the logic of your friend who didn't do her research propery. Then again perhaps she doesn't have to. If it worked for the tv compan it might fly by her readership too. And here you have the sa me scenario on here. Most just want a bit of a laugh some attention and a feeling opwer. that's all they want so perhaps the limited view of hypnosis will get them everything they need and want. But it doesn't change the fact they are arrogant in their assumption they are creating something new other than an army of limted hypnotist who don't want to learn beyond being the life and soul of a party and being a pest in public. Imagine that...the tube not telling the truth! |
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