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Again, I think you are exaggerating, Balducci. Every single non-German I've ever met (and that includes me) regularly talks about "the Germans", and in an "extremely insensitive and offensive" manner. W-i-t-h-o-u-t e-x-c-e-p-t-i-o-n.

I grew up in Taiwan and Hawaii. Now, if you want some stereotyping, you can just spend about five minutes with the locals in Hawaii and you'll hear every race under the sun stereotyped. Is that "extremely insensitive and offensive"?

Check out this very beautiful song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVIvmllzNKA

And I repeat, I'm not saying it's good. I'm saying we all do it. Constantly. I bet even you, Balducci, have at some point in the last year made a comment referring to someone's race, color, or religion. Something innocent, like, "The Japanese sure know how to stick together in a crisis like they're having right now," or, "the Germans make really good cars." Who among us has never, ever, not-at-all nosiree, imitated an accent? A French accent or an Italian accent or a Texas accent or a California accent? Watch a couple of the response videos, and you'll find that nearly every single one of them imitates her Valley Girl accent. Why? Are they not stooping down to her level? Or are they making reasonable fun?

You Canadians are just a bunch of goodie-two-shoes, that's all.

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We also drink a lot and live in igloo's. Smile
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And say, "Eh" all the time.

LOL!
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On 2011-03-26 15:36, stoneunhinged wrote:

Again, I think you are exaggerating, Balducci.

I don't know where you think I am exaggerating. I only described what she said. She did say those things. If you missed them the first time, watch the video again.

Further, from the followup, it is clear that her video WAS clearly extremely insensitive and offensive to the Asian community. Otherwise, there would not have been the protests and outrage that there was among the student body at UCLA and elsewhere.

Well, possibly my use of 'extremely' was a bit of an exaggeration. Replace it with 'moderately', perhaps?
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What I think is exaggerated is how insensitive and offensive it is. It's mildly offensive. If I were Asian, I'd laugh.

As I said, I grew up in Taiwan. Is it an unfair generalization to say that Asians (from Asia, as opposed to home-grown, so she was talking culture, not race; this seems to have got past all those Asian American kids who made "response" videos) are louder than Americans? No way. It is a generalization, but it is neither hasty nor ridiculous nor racist. It's simply true.

Am I the only one who has been on a bus or a train in Asia since the rise of the cell phone? When ten to twenty people are talking on their phones at a ridiculously loud volume? Is it racist of me to have noticed?

As for the "Ching chang chong" or whatever she said, I repeat: we do it all the time! We just don't film ourselves with a web-cam. But I do it, and I admit. I've imitated Italians, Germans, French people, and...yes...even Canadians, eh? Who hasn't? That doesn't offend me one whit. (Sorry, Whit.) Now, I don't particularly like it when a person makes fun of my American accent directly to my face. I think that's rude. But it's not racist. And if they do it after I'm gone (and they surely do), I'm not offended.

I think American has gotten uptight and hypocritical about these things. They pretend to be offended in public, but they all do it themselves in private. It reminds me of the OJ trial when Mark Furmann claimed to never have used the N-word. Of course he had. We all have. Sure, we don't all use it in a negative way. But the word has passed our lips. But in public...well...NO ONE has ever used the word, ever! It's BS, and everybody knows it's BS.
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Oh, and did you listen to the song? It's real purdy.
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On 2011-03-26 16:05, stoneunhinged wrote:
What I think is exaggerated is how insensitive and offensive it is. It's mildly offensive. If I were Asian, I'd laugh.

As I said, I grew up in Taiwan. Is it an unfair generalization to say that Asians (from Asia, as opposed to home-grown, so she was talking culture, not race; this seems to have got past all those Asian American kids who made "response" videos) are louder than Americans? No way. It is a generalization, but it is neither hasty nor ridiculous nor racist. It's simply true.

Am I the only one who has been on a bus or a train in Asia since the rise of the cell phone? When ten to twenty people are talking on their phones at a ridiculously loud volume? Is it racist of me to have noticed?

As for the "Ching chang chong" or whatever she said, I repeat: we do it all the time! We just don't film ourselves with a web-cam. But I do it, and I admit. I've imitated Italians, Germans, French people, and...yes...even Canadians, eh? Who hasn't? That doesn't offend me one whit. (Sorry, Whit.) Now, I don't particularly like it when a person makes fun of my American accent directly to my face. I think that's rude. But it's not racist. And if they do it after I'm gone (and they surely do), I'm not offended.

I think American has gotten uptight and hypocritical about these things. They pretend to be offended in public, but they all do it themselves in private. It reminds me of the OJ trial when Mark Furmann claimed to never have used the N-word. Of course he had. We all have. Sure, we don't all use it in a negative way. But the word has passed our lips. But in public...well...NO ONE has ever used the word, ever! It's BS, and everybody knows it's BS.

Well, you apparently run with a different crowd than I do. I honestly can't think of the last time anyone I know of acted in the ways you've describe in my presence. Not since public school days, anyway. (Okay ... I can think of ONE exception in the last 20 years ... which I don't really want to get into in public.)

BTW, you keep bringing up the word 'racist' in your responses to my posts. For the record, I never once said that the video was racist. I said it was offensive and insensitive to the Asian community.
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You honest to god have not heard a single person imitate a foreign language in your presence since school?

I find that nearly impossible to believe.

As far as who I run around with...well, what can I say? Apparently you have a higher class of friends.

One last point: I am quite skeptical when blanket statements are made about an entire community. To say the "Asian community" found the video insensitive is still another way of treating Asians as a group rather than individuals.

Full dislosure: my first wife was Asian, and my current wife is German, and I have lived over thirty years outside North America, so I hardly speak for the American Joe Average. They all probably have more class than I do.
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Balducci, how was it offensive to Iranians and russians?
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Stone, you were married to an east Indian woman? Interesting.
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Whit, you don't think we liberated Italy in the second world war, or are fighting the Taliban without a government do you?
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On 2011-03-26 18:04, magicfish wrote:
Stone, you were married to an east Indian woman? Interesting.


No. She was Filipino, but from Hawaii. A local girl who shamelessly fell in love with a haoli boy. Smile
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As for the liberals, they are so desparate for a win that they have thrown away principle and formed a coalition with a party whose sole purpose is to break up our nation. Hopefully the people see the obvious risk to our future as a nation and a natural resources superpower.
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Sorry it didn't work out.
~ps. I don't think the Philippines or Hawaii is in Asia.
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On 2011-03-26 16:05, stoneunhinged wrote:
What I think is exaggerated is how insensitive and offensive it is. It's mildly offensive. If I were Asian, I'd laugh.



You have no idea what you would do.
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Why would you laugh if you were from Saudi Arabia?
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The Phillipines is in southeast Asia, like Vietnam. Most people would consider Filipinos and Vietnamese to be Asians.

Hawaii, of course, is not in Asia. I'm not sure where the official cut off point is. Guam, maybe? Smile
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It reminds me of the OJ trial when Mark Furmann claimed to never have used the N-word. Of course he had. We all have. Sure, we don't all use it in a negative way. But the word has passed our lips.


I think you must speak for yourself. I know of at least one person who has never used that word except to refer to that word.
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Philippines is a group of islands. No?
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I beg to differ. The Philippines falls into the catagory of Pacific Islanders, same as Guam etc. I also consider it Asia though but technically....
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