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Mac_Stone Inner circle Miami, FL 1420 Posts |
I was going through my collection of Reel Magic the other days and came across a routine by Craig Petty which I must have foolishly over looked the first time I watched the DVD. It's a coins across routine with a flipper but he starts the routine by handing out the coins for examination INCLUDING the flipper. Can flippers really withstand examination? Wouldn't a spectator easily be able to open one up?
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TWOCAN Special user PORT RICHEY FL 869 Posts |
Must have switched out the coin. Unless it was a regular flipper with a spring like elastic but even those are not worth the risk of handing out.
Profits over people are a common thing . Be uncommon and be the best .
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TC Ryder Elite user Florida 496 Posts |
If you hand all the coins out to one person with the flipper in the middle they never figure it out. I do it all time and never get busted. Just need to get them back quick and move on.
TC |
inigmntoya Inner circle DC area native, now in Atlanta 2350 Posts |
A decent flipper should stand up to cursory visual examination, and because of the way they're made and the way a layman would generally hold one, they're not likely to open on their own. I believe Craig mentions this on his Flipped Out DVD and may have (re)stated it somewhere on the forum as well, and indicated that it's not been a problem for him.
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On 2011-04-02 17:50, Mac_Stone wrote: |
jerdunn Inner circle 1735 Posts |
Q: Why would you want to hand out a gaffed coin for examination?
The great thing about a well made flipper is that it looks totally normal to a lay person. You might hand someone one of the coins just so she can admire it, but handing out all of them for "examination" could inadvertently plant the idea, "He could be using tricky coins." Since you are, why risk it? Cheers, Jerry |
J-Mac Inner circle Ridley Park, PA 5338 Posts |
I notice that folks only want to hand out coins for examination when they are using gaffs; I never see anyone talk about handing them out when they are using only sleight of hand...
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Lawrence O Inner circle French Riviera 6811 Posts |
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On 2011-04-02 18:41, TC Ryder wrote: I second this with some experience. It is especially true if you do not hand the coins out for checking that they have no trapdoors, mirrors, double bottoms ... but simply saying that these are rare precious coins that they may not have seen before and, owing to the way the price of silver goes, may never see again. By showing respect for them through your props, you induce them to respect these props (and avoid undue scrutiny)
Magic is the art of emotionally sharing live impossible situations
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Sean Giles Inner circle Cambridge/ UK 3517 Posts |
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On 2011-04-03 16:29, J-Mac wrote: Strange but true! |
Lawrence O Inner circle French Riviera 6811 Posts |
Have you ever heard David Roth stating as he shows his coins "These are Kennedy Half Dollar, Silver coins, 50 cent pieces..."
I would agree with J-Mac's remark but we are wrong and it is worth showing our coins for they are perceived as more precious than we figure out. I adapted David's patter line, offering the coins for display, with "These are Walking Liberties, they used to be worth 50 cents. Now with the crisis they are worth a small fortune, you may look at them if we can have them back for the show. You may not have seen any of them before and you may not see any one like that again for the rest of your life" Now they look at the coins rather than inspect them and even if the coins are genuine, the quality of your props subtlely suggest that your magic will live up to the quality of the coins: since people perceive things according to what they expect, it's worth displaying our coins (imho)... whether tricked or not.
Magic is the art of emotionally sharing live impossible situations
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Andrew Zuber Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 3014 Posts |
Personally I'm proud of my Walkers - I love showing them off before I start a routine.
Love the idea of sandwiching the flipper like that. Give them nothing to suspect and they shouldn't suspect anything.
"I'm sorry - if you were right, I would agree with you." -Robin Williams, Awakenings
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BenSalinas Special user Coinoscenti 746 Posts |
I used to not hand out my Kennedy's, but now that I use Walking Liberties, I too want to show them off. I offer them, not for inspection, but for the lay person to admire them as Lawrence does. So they're not looking for gaffs, just at the coolness of the coins. And I keep the pace up so there not enough time to INSPECT them before I take them back and get started.
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Sock Puppet Monkey Loyal user 235 Posts |
I would use a joke about the coin...can you see (add one bad joke here) or something along the lines of can you hold this (while you organize/look for something in your pocket) and then take it back. An innocent moment but it sells that the coins are ungimmicked without drawing undue attention to them.
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J-Mac Inner circle Ridley Park, PA 5338 Posts |
I agree that showing the coins that specs normally don’t get to see and/or handle is cool. But unforunately most times I see or hear anyone talk about handing out coins (and other props) for examination it is about doing so after the routine as a proof they are normal and not "trick (coins, cards, rings - take your pick!).
Jim |
PetePennekett Regular user 113 Posts |
Curtis Kam has a very interesting method for ostensibly having 3 coins thoroughly examined, one of which is a flipper (In his case an old style flipper rather than a gravity flipper but I don't think that should effect the method). Essentially you produce one coin and have it examined, then switch it for the flipper in the spectators hand and produce 2 more coins, both of which can be examined. If I recall correctly (And I hope I do because I just checked 2 minutes ago) you can find this move in Curtis' 'Mr Eclectic' lecture notes and I believe also one of his Palms of Steel DVDs.
Just picking up on a thread from some other posts here I personally subscribe to the idea (Which I read in some of Curtis' work but I suspect a number of people have come up with independently) that having coins inspected is not quite the rousing climax that I hope for when I perform magic. As a consequence I usually like to have people inspect my coins after an opening effect (If at all) and it's also notable that no one asks to see your coins if you make them vanish at the end. Curtis actually made this point about the use of Jumbo coins as part of his reasoning that it is good practice to make jumbo coins disappear after production so that the end focus is you. Ross Bertram also made the point that vanishing coins at the end of a routine allows for a natural end to your 'show', and this also fits well with a finding of my own (And many others I'm sure) which is that after inspecting props spectators have a tendency to want to see more magic - I'm not sure if this indicates that they now believe further magic will be 'real' (I.e. not using trick coins) but previous magic is still suspect, but either way it's nice to finish on your own terms, rather than having your expensive props in the hands of your audience. Personally I usually have regular coins inspected, do some tricks with them and then switch/ring in a shell at a later time - I don't own a flipper but it should be simple enough to steal it from a magnetic holdout and either add it to your pool of coins or switch one out. Does anyone have any thoughts on whether it's better to offer your coins for inspection or wait for a request? I agree with showing off your coins as rare and antique as a way of dodging suspicion but I've also had good reactions from people asking to look at my coins and not expecting to be allowed. ~ Pete. |
rdwinc New user 70 Posts |
Just stay away from teens - they just grab (or try) the coins from your hand - and have no problem feeling your pockets..
David Sacks
Wheaton, Maryland |
J-Mac Inner circle Ridley Park, PA 5338 Posts |
Uhh.... where did you say these teens are? ( )
Jim |
BanzaiMagic Inner circle 1339 Posts |
Jim,
You're a letch! Stay away from those teens or I will have to take up criminal law and travel out there to defend you. Regards, Alan |
Mac_Stone Inner circle Miami, FL 1420 Posts |
Thanks for all the feedback guys!
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