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On 2011-04-08 13:39, Xcath1 wrote:
In the shirt and tie dresscode I believe he ends with his shirt un-tucked, still looks cool, but I am not sure it meets the requirements for formal dress. I don't know if it is practical or effective to then proceed to tuck in your shirt by hand.


Yes, when I first saw this with the dress shirt and tie I have the distinct feeling that one would have to dress pretty sloppily! This includes having to un-tuck ones shirt, and I have serious doubts about having and hiding a tie and shirt with another tie and shirt. Bottom line, you would more likely than not end up looking like a slob.

As for the ending (which didn't seem to bother me quite as much as it did others) supposedly being an April fools joke....I don't get it? Just exactly what was the "joke" supposed to be? Sounds to me more like back peddling, but perhaps I'm wrong seeing that the "joke" went completely over this 'ol guys head! Smile
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The ending didn't really bother me either. Maybe I'm just mean and get a kick out of stuff like that Smile

Seriously, why would Craig fake a reaction? I'll say it again - these guys showed video of someone setting iFloat on FIRE WITH A BLOW TORCH. If they don't like your effect, they're not going to hype it.

I truly don't think it's in their best interest to hype something if they don't believe in it. When you sell a dud, it hurts your business, and it would damage their credibility as reviewers. Unless that too was an April Fool's joke....
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Okay first things first let me set the record straight with regards to Starlight. I had no idea how it cued the information to John. Yes in hindsight I should have held it up to the light but I didn't. I had 3 hours sleep the night before and had been reviewing magic since 6am. 

If something fools me I'm not like most magicians - I have no problem showing I'm fooled. Even though I'm fairly knowledgeable I do not know everything and had never seen this principle before. I knew it cued information but I didn't know how. When your sitting in front of a camera in a recording studio you tend to miss things sometimes. If anyone doesn't believe me that's fine but I think I've proved enough times on the show that we don't over hype things and if somethings not good we say so. 

Now let me address your comments Magicsquared. I'm used to people not liking myself and Dave Penn since starting the WPR. For every hundred emails I receive thanking me for the show I get someone telling me I suck. However you stated if I was fooled by Starlight I am unqualified to review magic. Let me tell you why I am qualified IMO - 

I have been a professional for 10 years. 

I have been into magic for nearly 20 years

I have released over 20 products, DVDs and books to the magic community. Many of these were very good sellers including Chop which is currently selling out all over the World. 

I am one of a handful of performers who were invited straight into the Inner Magic Circle with a Silver Star. 

I have lectured all over the uk including the magic circle headquarters. 

I co-run one of the largest Childrens entertainment companies in the UK dealing with over 1500 bookings a year

My company holds over 30 residencies in the UK and is a nominated supplier to over 10 restaurant chains. 

I was invited to compete at Blackpool in the close up competition twice in a row. 

Many top magicians have commented favourably in my work including Doc Eason, Thom Peterson, Greg Wilson, Pat Page, Eric Jones, Josh Jay and Rune Klan. 

Most importantly I'm not afraid to say when I'm fooled unlike most magicians who don't want to look stupid. 

But I don't care about any of that stuff. My favourite thing in the world is filming the WPR and I'm glad so many people find it useful. If you think I shouldn't be doing this cause a card trick fooled me maybe you should tell me what I need to do to be better qualified. After all you seem to know everything. 

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Heck, I was fooled by Starlight.
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@ Craig Hell, I‘ve been fooled by more obvious things! I hate to admit it, but just about two months ago I was taken in by a TT! lol I guess I was just surprised that you didn’t do exactly as John did and hold the card up to a light source also, (something I feel most people would naturally do) which by the way, is the reason I so strongly dislike this particular trick.

I never noticed the comment that if you were fooled by Starlight that you have no business reviewing magic tricks. Yikes....that’s a tad strong and harsh to say the least! For what it’s worth, keep up the good work. There is no way on earth that you, or anyone for that matter, can please everyone. I occasionally disagree with you and David on a few things, but that certainly doesn’t mean that I still don’t look forward to your and David’s input and reviews. If we all agreed, and or reacted the same way on everything this would indeed be a very boring world.

P.S. If you’re ever in Las Vegas……. STAY AWAY FROM THE POKER TABLES! Smile
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Craig,

I never said I didn't like you. I don't have an issue with your show. I said you're a bad actor.

The only other option is that you were fooled by a gimmick that is described with its own chapter in Hofzinser's Card Conjuring. (Not some new application of that gimmick -- just that gimmick used in the most basic way.) And that you don't have the common sense to hold something up to the light after watching someone else being told to hold it up to the light, them holding it up to the light for 10 seconds, and them receiving information by holding it up to the light.

So if your knowledge of magical history is less than mine (and mine is pretty slight). And you lack the common sense of the typical person I perform for, then you're not qualified to review magic FOR MY PURPOSES.
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I'm not sure I buy the business about the April fools joke but so be it.
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Being rather blunt there, squared...what do you expect? Someone who knows every gimmick, sleight and routine ever created, and should be able to access that knowledge 24 hours a day, even with a lack of sleep? When did being tired (and yet still filming the show on the day of a gig) equate to someone not having common sense? Are you telling me you've never dropped something? Gee, it's gravity. There are, like, a million books on it. I can't believe you didn't have the common sense to hold onto it tighter. Remind me to never let you hold anything of mine.

Apparently a vast amount of experience in magic, as well as doing the show and releasing entire DVDs and lectures for free to the public, still doesn't satisfy some people.
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Andrew,

Your reading comprehension is stellar. Clearly when I said I thought he should be familiar with a gimmicked card that has been around 100+ years that was invented by one of the most important figures in magic history and had a chapter devoted to it in one of the classic texts of magic, I was insinuating that he should know "every gimmick, sleight and routine ever created, and should be able to access that knowledge 24 hours a day, even with a lack of sleep."

I don't want to argue the point, because I don't really care that much, if this seems like a genuine reaction to you:

http://www.youtube.com/user/worldmagicshop#t=15m45s

then there's nothing I can say that's going to change that.
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The one thing Iw as surprised Craig didn't do was hold the queen up to the light, since you told John to do to that.

Still, I have to believe that had he done that, the gimmick was no longer in play.
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On 2011-04-08 19:55, Magicsquared wrote:
Andrew,

Your reading comprehension is stellar. Clearly when I said I thought he should be familiar with a gimmicked card that has been around 100+ years that was invented by one of the most important figures in magic history and had a chapter devoted to it in one of the classic texts of magic, I was insinuating that he should know "every gimmick, sleight and routine ever created, and should be able to access that knowledge 24 hours a day, even with a lack of sleep."




I might be mistaken, and I hope I am, but I think that perhaps you meant that you were not insinuating that he (Craig) would, or should know every gimmick and or sleight that was ever created. After all....who could!! Well, except perhaps Harry Lorayne as he invented everything! Smile
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Craig,

Please continue to do what you do. I appreciate the fact that when you are fooled you don't hold back your reaction. No magician is familiar with every principle. I think others have missed the fact that you were on camera and "hold it up to the light" might have sounded to you like a direction for the sake of the camera and you both stated that it was early.

It would be a bad thing if you became self concious about this sort of thing. It's great that we get to have direct input like this but you should probably ignore comments at both extremes. (ie "You're a God" as well as "You Suck").

Thanks for the great shows. Keep it up and have fun!
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Craig,

I also want to say how much I enjoy your broadcasts.

The reason that people make negative comments is because you are now a target. The Wizard Product Review may now be the most important factor for reviews of magic products. Your opinions effect the sale and success of a product.

When you mentioned on one broadcast that 16,000 people view the show, well you are now the gold standard in reviewing. That is because you have created a valuable and well-produced series of shows.

Are you perfect? No. Have you provided a useful service for people like me who have limited funds and want to know what are the best products and will they fit my style of performing? Yes!

JB

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I think people are being overly harsh on PSI Poker, a lot of that was Craig's handling of the effect. When they are discussing points they simply mean Card Values, You will win by 1. If their best card is a Jack, you have a Queen. If they have a Queen, you have a King. The advanced version of the effect allows the prediction to be card specific rather than generic. Rather than the prediction saying 'turn over for the card you needed' it will say 'turn over for the Eight you needed' for example. The advanced effect is handled in almost exactly the same way, it mostly requires more preparation before you start the effect.

My slight annoyance with the ebook is that it requires knowledge of particular magic principle, and assumes you know it. Not hard to find by any means, but 1 extra page to the book could have covered the basic requirement and made the document self contained. Other than that the book is clear and easy to follow.
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I agree on PSI Poker, however the "points" thing really confused me. Is the idea of points actually written in the book? I've played poker in Vegas for years, I spend half my time at a poker table whenever I go. I've never in my life heard anyone mention points in a poker game.
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On 2011-04-09 10:02, Andrew Zuber wrote:
I agree on PSI Poker, however the "points" thing really confused me. Is the idea of points actually written in the book? I've played poker in Vegas for years, I spend half my time at a poker table whenever I go. I've never in my life heard anyone mention points in a poker game.


Seeing that Craig and David knew nothing about poker, I thought that perhaps using the term "points" was the only way he could explain a winning hand to David. I’m not much of a gambler and never really have been although I’ve played my share of poker years ago. Not once have I ever heard the term “points” in reference to poker. I would think that even those who don’t know all the nuances of poker, or for that matter not even having played the game would find the term “points” rather odd.
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Alright, I'm glad I'm not the only one!

I've picked up Dresscode. I REALLY want to make this work with the suit and tie. I'm gonna have to stare at it for awhile and contemplate the best way to make it happen. It also messes with my opening routine which I'll need to consider. It's a good DVD though - although I'm not too crazy about some of the forces he uses (like the soft drink...seemed quite sketchy to me.) That said I just bought it for the quick change aspect and I can really see it working in my venues!
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I've picked up Dresscode. I REALLY want to make this work with the suit and tie. I'm gonna have to stare at it for awhile and contemplate the best way to make it happen. It also messes with my opening routine which I'll need to consider. It's a good DVD though - although I'm not too crazy about some of the forces he uses (like the soft drink...seemed quite sketchy to me.) That said I just bought it for the quick change aspect and I can really see it working in my venues!


Let's hear how it works out. I honestly can't see it working without the neck area (tie) looking rather odd, but I might very well be wrong.
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Hi
I'd like to say I enjoy the shows very much! Keep up the good work.
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[quote]On 2011-04-09 14:22, gaffed wrote:
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Let's hear how it works out. I honestly can't see it working without the neck area (tie) looking rather odd, but I might very well be wrong.

Yeah, I'll make one up once I'm back in the states next week. I'm eager to try it out - but not eager enough to but another shirt and tie. I'm shipping too much magic crud home as it is Smile

I'll report back on what I find.
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