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Doves are very easy to care for and make gret pets. Take a look at the links on this following thread for great information about caring for Doves: http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......rum=13&0
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I totally agree with Dave on the trimming the flight feathers, if you be patient and train, they will be awesome for productions, Most of mine are trained for flyback, Thank goodness. And for other dove productions we use Silkie Jave doves due to their feather pattern which does not allow them to get much lift, These guys are great for outside programs and do not require any trimming. When they Flap their wings they look nice. Just take the time to tame the critter, Even our silkies are tamed and trained. Best of luck to you with the training,
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I train ALL my doves for doing flybacks, even if they are supposed to be produced from a Dove Bag. When your birds are thoroughly trained you can even use 'em outdoors. There is no audience pleaser like "creating life". Especially for kids.
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Buzz, don't take my response personally or in an attacking mode. It sounded like you were asking the question so you'd know what do. My response regarding not doing dove magic if you can't train your doves was a general statement. There is no substitute for training.
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If a magician is new to doves and cuts a blood feather, the bird can lose a great deal of blood. Unless forwarned, the magician won't know to pull out this feather to stop the bleeding. This is why I hesitate to tell a new dove worker to cut any feathers, especially without mentioning this bit of advice.

Just so everyone knows, a blood feather has a thick shaft which is darker and different from the others. Do NOT cut this feather. If you accidentally do, take some tweezers or needle-nose plyers and pull it out with one quick motion.

Mattia, are your doves white or brown? Brown doves have always seemed harder to tame down. Could they be pigeons instead of doves?
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On 2011-05-23 17:52, Dave Scribner wrote:
Buzz, don't take my response personally or in an attacking mode. It sounded like you were asking the question so you'd know what do. My response regarding not doing dove magic if you can't train your doves was a general statement. There is no substitute for training.


Dave,

I don’t take anything personally, unless the person attacks me personally; I was asking the question to find out the procedure; it was made clear in earlier posts that I should keep my dove clippers in my desk. I posted earlier in this thread that I shouldn't be doing dove magic now; I need to wait until I have the time to properly work with Doves.

This statement has not changed. Rabbits are fine for now.

I spent my dove money on Chico The Mindreading chimp
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My doves are white doves. After months,both my doves seem to be tamed. The male has a very good behavior:when I produce him and I put him on a perch,he stays without any problem. But if I put the female on the same perch,after 2-3 minutes she fly away. I don't know why!
Another question: how to train the doves for fly back? I know that many magicians use food training,but I'm quite afraid to starve the doves. Are there any other methods?

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Mattia, I assume you have been using the training method of tossing your dove from one hand to another and over time, increasing the distance between your hands. Once they fly from one hand to another at the maximum stretch of your arms, starting trying to toss it in an arcing motion. In other words, as you toss the bird, push your arm out and twist your hand toward the other hand. You dove should feel comfortable flying from one hand to another and the arc will start it remembering to fly back. As time progresses, start tossing the dove out straight, rather than the arc.

If you have a room to practice in, try setting up a light at one end shining toward you. When you toss the dove out, toss it toward the light. Doves can't see in the light and will turn away. When they see you, they will feel safe and will return. The toss out move takes some time.

If you choose to use the food method, just don't feed you dove for a day. Hold some seed in your hand and make it visable to the dove when you toss it out. They will fly to the seed. Gradually they will return without the food enticement.

Some magicians load their dove backwards in their sleeve (tail first) When it is produced, it is already facing you and should return but I am concerned with this method as the the feathers slide in the opposite direction of their body and could cause an injury.
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Dan Sperry's Technical Dove Tosses DVD is HIGHLY recommended for flyback training.
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I have a curiosity:I saw a magician doing a dove act(I can't remember his name or where I saw him). During his act,a dove suddently flew off,so he extracted a revolver from the pocket and shooted at the dove (he PRETENDED to shoot at the dove...he shooted blanks...I hope). The dove fell instantly to the ground,but when he went and held the dove,it was still alive! How he taught the dove something like that? Could it be a natural instinct of the dove?
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Mattia, I've never seen that act but I would say that it is just a matter of training. I can only imagine how long it took the magician to accomplish this. It would be repition. Like making a dove fly to a specific perch or box on stage. You just do it over and over and over again, probably with some type of enticement like food.

A dove does the flyback because it remembers what it is supposed to do after constantly repeating it. The same would hold true for the trick you have described.
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Thank You Dave.
It's very difficoult for me to imagine a way for the magician to let the dove doing it for the first time. I know it's something based on repetition,but how can You "show" the dove what she has to do the first time?
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This is just my opinion but if I were going to try something like this, I might start by training the dove for the fly back. Then I'd sit on the floor and do the toss. I don't usually recommend the "lack of food" method but in this case, it might be the way to go. The dove will learn that food is at the end of the flight.

Then I'd start leaving the food on the floor so the dove would learn that is where he needs to go. Once he's doing it consistantly, I'd start doing a regular toss. When the dove is going to the floor all the time, I'd introduce the gun. Now, this is where your timing comes in. The bird isn't falling because you fired a gun but you are firing the gun at the peak of the fly. You have to work on exactly when to fire the gun so it looks natural.

This will take a long time to master, I believe.
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Ok. Thank You!
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