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Tool will fool no one, even a child can figure it out!


..take it to the streets and find out the opposite!
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On 2011-05-28 14:42, Black wrote:
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Tool will fool no one, even a child can figure it out!


..take it to the streets and find out the opposite!


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On 2011-05-28 14:00, movemonkey wrote:
Come on guys, can someone explain me why so much buzz on this? Just showed the trailer to 6 different laymen friend and all 6 figured out the method...

the main reason is the action of using the box causing the magic effect makes it so obvious!!


Tool will fool no one, even a child can figure it out!




I'd have to agree with Black on this. Although I don't have it and have no intentions on getting it that’s a very unfair statement. Your friends saw a DEMO where a card case is repeatedly used to show the different effects that this is capable of doing, and obviously not how it is intended to be used. I’m very confident that if I had done the same as you did for a dozen lay people they all would have come to the very same conclusion. I mean really…………stop and think how ridiculous that was!! Smile
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Agree 100%! You let a layman view the demo of course they're gonna think its the card case! Do you do the same effect over and over again for the same spectator? I think not!
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This looks exactly like the trick I bought at the IBM convention in San Diego last year. The dealer was also French but I don't remember if it was David Stone. Unfortunately it didn't come with a DVD. The basic trick (torn and restored playing card) is good for laymen and I do it on a regular basis. Just looking at the demo has given me lots of new ideas.

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On 2011-05-28 19:30, egoli wrote:
This looks exactly like the trick I bought at the IBM convention in San Diego last year. The dealer was also French but I don't remember if it was David Stone. Unfortunately it didn't come with a DVD. The basic trick (torn and restored playing card) is good for laymen and I do it on a regular basis. Just looking at the demo has given me lots of new ideas.

Ed


Just make sure you don't go around showing the demo to all your friends before you do it! Smile
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Showing laymen magic videos is ALWAYS a bad idea. Magic demos are there to give magicians a general sense of the trick not to entertain or fool laymen.

I see a problem with this gimmick, though. To me, it should work in the exact opposite way, so you can hand out the card case at the end. Because such attention is brought to the card case, people might want to take a look at it. You place an object on the deck and then use the card case to cover it. There's gonna be a little heat on the card case.

If the gimmick worked the opposite way, it could be examined.
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Spectators don't seem to want to examine the box. The attention is all on the top of the deck of cards and the change is very visual. I don't call attention to the box at all. It just goes off to the side right away and everyone is trying to get over the instant change.

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On 2011-05-29 00:51, Cameron Francis wrote:
I see a problem with this gimmick, though. To me, it should work in the exact opposite way, so you can hand out the card case at the end. Because such attention is brought to the card case, people might want to take a look at it. You place an object on the deck and then use the card case to cover it. There's gonna be a little heat on the card case.


That's why I always found the approach of Conspiracy much more convincing - the use of the card box is better justified ('sealing' something under the wrapper of the card box) and you end up clean. But to each his own...
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On 2011-05-28 14:00, movemonkey wrote:
Come on guys, can someone explain me why so much buzz on this? Just showed the trailer to 6 different laymen friend and all 6 figured out the method...

the main reason is the action of using the box causing the magic effect makes it so obvious!!


Tool will fool no one, even a child can figure it out!

... Face palm*
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On 2011-04-22 09:52, Black wrote:
I made a little video so that you can image how many tricks you can do with it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYoy4VG8V......eo_title

You handle David Stone's Tool wonderfully.


I am trying to buy this trick or Solo by Mark Mason. Which one is better?
Isn't the card-to-card box part in Solo uses the same gimmick for this Tool by David Stone?
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I would recommend you buying Tool. You'll get a DVD that shows you great routines and you'll get two gimmicks.
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On 2011-05-29 13:00, Black wrote:
I would recommend you buying Tool. You'll get a DVD that shows you great routines and you'll get two gimmicks.


But doesn't Tool use the same (or similar) gimmick as in the Solo when Mark does transport of the card to the card box part? I thought the vanishing effect of the Solo is better than the one by Tool.
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Just received Tool. I think this will work great for Richard Sanders' "Skinny Kreskin" but much more visual.
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I recommend Tool if you wan't to have two gimmicks, but otherwise buy Solo as this is a great effect. I guess that the Tool DVD explains the routines from the trailer - therefore no explanation is needed when you know how the gimmick works. Watching the trailer I don't think the routines are good enough to spend money on.
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On 2011-05-31 12:00, madcats9 wrote:
I recommend Tool if you wan't to have two gimmicks, but otherwise buy Solo as this is a great effect. I guess that the Tool DVD explains the routines from the trailer - therefore no explanation is needed when you know how the gimmick works. Watching the trailer I don't think the routines are good enough to spend money on.


Doesn't Solo use the similar gimmick as the Tool?

I think the part where Mark takes the card out of the box uses the same way when David brings out the card from the cardbox in one of his routines in the trailer.

Isn't it?
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David Stone is one of my top favorite magicians and this is definitely the worst thing he has come up with. It is so transparent Ι'm very surprised someone would go and actually buy it. Doesn't look good either (use of the box completely unjustified). "The most powerful gimmick since the TT"? Please! I'd have to agree with movemonkey.
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My wife is the typical magician's wife that has seen everything and is hard to fool. I showed her my handling on this and she had no idea how it worked. She said it was just so clean she couldn't figure it out. For those who don't think this will fool anyone, please don't buy it. The less people doing it the better it is for those of us that do.
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All too funny how contrasting some of the feelings can be on this, or for that matter, anything!

However, I often find that usually, albeit not always, some of the strongest criticisms come from people who do not have whatever effect is being discussed. Smile
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This is the state of magic these days. You show people several performances intended for magicians to advertise a product and ask them to figure it out? Sad. When I do magic for people I never do it over and over again, unless the trick is designed for that. Tool is not designed for that BTW.
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On 2011-05-28 14:00, movemonkey wrote:
Come on guys, can someone explain me why so much buzz on this? Just showed the trailer to 6 different laymen friend and all 6 figured out the method...

the main reason is the action of using the box causing the magic effect makes it so obvious!!


Tool will fool no one, even a child can figure it out!
Still with the Chinese circus Smile
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OK I guess I will not know until I try but I am still confused. Is this any different in how it is made in quality or deceptive nature. I posted about effects like this last year and there were several products mentioned none of which I see here. But they all were based on the box and all talked.
I still have to disagree that the box is ORGANIC. How so? When you have your hand why use the box?
I will say, while I do like visual changes this gimmick is probably best as seen in some of the videos posted where you use it more as a switching device and not as the cover for the change.

OK lets look at your vid. If you never turn over the box after the change what will they think? You know exactly what they are thinking. So it is already in their mind before you turn over the box. (even if they just polite and do not say anything.)

The the very moment I first say the first effect I instantly had the answer. Sure I am a magician but on should never underestimate the audience or how polite they are.

Like I said, this maybe be stronger when used without drawing focus to the box. I did hear the talking on many of the videos that did not have music and that is not organic or natural but one of the videos there was a softer landing. But to drop or tap the box it makes a noise that is NOT how it would sound.

And you really will not know if they suspect the box unless you asked them how do you think you did it. In the English speaking world it seems people are taught to not ruin your trick for the most part. But I have experienced other cultures who get more hands on with magic and what to touch everything or will grab for things they suspect.


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On 2011-05-28 04:10, Black wrote:
@Powermagic:
I first thought the same! But when I performed this live for a few people, I saw that they don't want to check out the box. In my opinion it's very organic to use the box. You show the box before, they remember how it looks - you show the box after and they can't see a difference, so the box is normal for them. If you take a look at my video ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYoy4VG8V3w&feature=relmfu )you will expect that is has to do something with the box, because I use the box for EVERY effect. If I perform other card tricks and then only one routine using TOOL, it's not that suspicious that the box has something to do with the effect.

I hope you understand how I mean it Smile

PS: There is only a "click"-sound if you tap the box on the cards. But I prefer to rub, in my opinion it looks more magical and less obvious!
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