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TonyB2009
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I recently attended the Anthony Jacquin Trilby Connection training in Dublin. After more than a decade I decided it was time to get a bit of training to go with the four books I have read!

The first thing I will say is that I am now more convinced than ever that there is no such thing as trance. The second thing I will say is that my eyes have been opened to a whole new world of possibilities.

I knew my inductions needed sharpening, and from that point of view I got what I came for out of the weekend. But I got a lot more too. It was great fun, the training was hands-on and very practical, and we covered a good bit of ground. I now feel confident that I could walk up to someone and do a demonstration of hypnosis that would be entertaining and convincing, without the need to play the numbers game that stage hypnotists rely on.

On the second day Anthony was demonstrating something on someone and he spotted that I had my eyes closed and was following along. I find it helps sink the lesson in. So he then switched to me, and did a quick induction on me. I felt alert, fully aware of what was going on around me. If you had asked me I would have said I was being polite and following the instructions, but I was not a good subject. He got me to giggle then got my arm stiff. As far as I was concerned I was doing what he said because he was a nice guy and he wasn't asking me to do anything I had any issue with.

Then he held a hundred euro between my claw-like fingers, and told me it was mine if I could grab it. Bingo! It's been a tough spring, and I thought I'd have a good dinner at his expense on my way home. So I sent the signal from my brain to my hand to stop being a nice guy, and grab the money. Imagine my surprise when my fingers chose to ignore my instructions, and remained stubbornly immmobile. At no point did I feel hypnotised. I was never in an altered state. Yet he had control.

I still don't believe in trance, but maybe some of my subjects haven't just been playing along for the past ten years. Now I have a bit more insight into what they have been experiencing. A very enjoyable weekend. Thanks, guys.
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I was waiting to hear your feedback when you announced earlier that you were attending a training. A hypnotist who doesn't believe in trance, very intriguing. In reading your post I was cringing for the moment when you stated that you were able to grab the money. Very cool moment when you realized that you weren't simply playing along. I would love to have seen that on video. Fascinating stuff. Thanks for the report. I giggle like a little school girl when I experience hypnotic phenomena. It can be downright addicting.
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Nothing will convince you Tony because you have hypnotised yourself NOT to believe. A bit like the missing number 7. The finger is there they just can't count the number - the trance is there you just can't see it. At least you have had an experience now that loosens that belief.

That's just the start. You should seek out more training in hypnosis - what you experienced is only scratching the surface to what is possible.

I can tell you from experience many people I have had on stage were NOT polite or nice guys.
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Hey Tony, I enjoyed every second of that post wondering which way it was going to go.
First of all well done you for standing up and being totally candid about what happened.
And well done Ant, in knowing how you think yet being fairly convinced you would 'go'. Did he, I wonder, mis-read your closed eyes as trance and got lucky, or did he KNOW that you were 'in the loop' so to speak? Maybe we'll here from him later.
Anyway to be honest I'm a little jealous as I've never experienced 'not being able to grab the money'.
I guess I can assume now that there's been a massive shift in your thought in so much as you now BELIEVE in hypnosis but do not think trance is necessary? Also do you now have the belief that you can 'pop in' any time?
Whatever it's a great post!
MP I want you to have a pop at me next time we meet (Just keep me out of the bath, okay?).

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Haha I would have loved to have an experince like that. on the other note after watching the people I have hypnotized I am 100 perecnt convinced there is such thing as a trance, I just don't believe we can all go in it. I once told a girl she one the lottery and she was jumping up and down then I next ripped up the ticket and the girl started to ball her eyes out crying. just my 2 cents though. great post tony
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Bob, I had my eyes open and I could see the money I couldn't grab. I have a vivid imagination, and I could smell the dinner I wasn't going to get!
My belief that there is no such thing as hypnosis has taken a bit of a knock, but I still have seen no evidence of trance. Sorry, Fergie. But I'll keep an open mind.
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Interesting Tony. I thought the same thing a few days after I was on stage with my shoe held to my ear answering a phone. That was years ago in Florida when a stage hypnotist came to town. I do believe it now after having studied and been hypnotized.

On a side note, I met a hypnotist this weekend who had been in the field 30 yrs. He said something that surprised me. He said after all these years involved in the clinical side, he had never experienced amnesia with a patient.

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Great post, Tony! I also want to know how it does feel. Thanks!
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On 2011-04-11 19:05, bobser wrote:
And well done Ant, in knowing how you think yet being fairly convinced you would 'go'. Did he, I wonder, mis-read your closed eyes as trance and got lucky, or did he KNOW that you were 'in the loop' so to speak? Maybe we'll here from him later.
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Thanks for taking the time to give us feedback on your experience Tony. It was great to share some time with and learn from your experiences. Glad you enjoyed it and have a chink in the compliance model. All that without being asked to believe in anything state related.

No Bob I did not mistake eyes closed as 'trance'. Like Tony I do not think hypnosis has anything to do with it - other than trance being a suggestion, that tends to result in a look of imagined trance. Tony was responding to my suggestions for analogue movement (lift) so I made those suggestions binary (stuck). By that point he had an immovable arm and hand. I tested it before getting my cash out, got him to open his eyes look at the hand and test again. Then I got my cash out and offered it to him. I had to, a couple of years back he responded to a review of my book saying that such a routine was BS and would not work in Ireland. I wanted to remind him of that while offering him some cash.

It is the sense of the automatic that subjects really need. Many an illogical leap has been made from there regarding why it happens. I am glad to hear Tony has not made such an illogical leap.

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Impressive... Big of you to admit it Tony. Smile

Reminds me of the first time I got my foot stuck on the floor. (Superglue and all...)

I thought it was all just a scam till then.
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[quote]On 2011-04-12 04:15, Anthony Jacquin wrote:
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I tested it before getting my cash out,
I had to, a couple of years back he responded to a review of my book saying that such a routine was BS and would not work in Ireland. I wanted to remind him of that while offering him some cash.


Have to confess to laughing a lot imagining this scene!


(quote)
Tony was responding to my suggestions for analogue movement (lift) so I made those suggestions binary (stuck).
(/quote)

I believe I know what analogue and binary both mean, but I don't think I totally understand that statement. Possibly others won't either?
Care to spend a moment elaborating Ant?

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I'm curious as to why considering trance would be an illogical leap? Wouldn't not considering trance also be an illogocal leap?

When did hypnosis become logical? that's a function of the analytical conscious mind.
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On 2011-04-12 04:15, Anthony Jacquin wrote:
a couple of years back he responded to a review of my book saying that such a routine was BS and would not work in Ireland.

Had you held out a Guinness instead of money that statement would have been true, it wouldn't have worked in Ireland. Smile

By the way .. my paradigm has totally been upset because I am agreeing wholeheartedly with MP here.
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Tony was responding to my suggestions for analogue movement (lift) so I made those suggestions binary (stuck).
(/quote)

It means Ant is trying to sound important esoteric academic. Its total BS...And quite funny when you actually consider the unsophisticated use of hypnosis he is talking about...
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Great report Tony. It was good to meet with you and share experiences. Money is a wonderful incentive to use.
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Tony was responding to my suggestions for analogue movement (lift) so I made those suggestions binary (stuck).
(/quote)

It means Ant is trying to sound important esoteric academic. Its total BS...And quite funny when you actually consider the unsophisticated use of hypnosis he is talking about...

I have heard more than Ant use this terminology. It makes complete sense to nerds like me. Binary is an all or nothing response whereas analogue has degrees of response. Binary can have a higher chance of failure if you aren't checking your work as you go. Analog can be considered a 'success' with either a little bit of movement or a whole lot.
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Correct Chris. That is exactly what I mean. Generally I move from ideomotor responses where a broad range of movement can be 'success' to a black and white binary situation. The sense of involuntariness is generally greater when you achieve the latter.

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Ah yes. Of course. So... analogue allows me to make a suggestion and something on 'the spectrum' of 0 to 100 should take place. A kinda' 'no-fail protocol'.
Then, having tested that, I can then 'get my money out', in the confidence that a loop has been created wherebye I can give binary (clear instructions) to take place.
Of course there will always be an exception to the rule....?
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So what you really mean is you test to see if your suggestions are working. And if they are you take the "risk" with your money. You take it to the next stage. Nothing new here is there? Or am I missing something.

Geek speak trying shroud simplicity in fake mystery. Nothing new its simple conditioning and testing. At the most basic form. NLP has been doing it for decades.

There is no black and white in hypnosis only the likely hood whether someone accepts a suggestion or not based upon how they respond to preliminary suggestions.

A no fail protocol is dependant upon what you define as failure. Of course you can define it anyway you like to make failure impossible. Just like "there is no failure only results". That doesn't mean to say the results are worth having. It just makes you feel better when you fail by hiding it from the target.

Its all total BS and nothing new. Talk about emporers clothes...
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I was hypnotized (willingly) for the first time on sunday. I met up with 3 other hypnotists and we chatted for a while. I had a go at hypnotizing one of them and had limited success. The guy said he´d tried many times before with different hypnotists but hadn´t been able to experience hypnosis, but that´s another story.

He did a kind of progressive relaxation induction on me (my internal dialogue cringed at this point as I´m not a fan of using that type of induction). I felt very pleasantly relaxed anyway.
Then he did an arm levitation - the typical helium balloon tied to the wrist. I have to confess that I really had my doubts when he started. I can´t explain why, but I just thought "this isn´t going to work with me".
I was VERY pleasantly suprised when I felt my hand lift off my leg and genuinely felt something pulling my wrist upwards. I was grinning from ear to ear and had my eyes closed.
The hand took a long time to lift off my leg, but my experience was that I didn´t lift my hand, something else lifted it. I think that my analytical mind kicked in at this stage due to the amount of time it was taking. I estimate that roughly about the time my hand reached shoulder height, muscle fatigue started to kick in. This caused me to be more analytical and think "if I´m not lifting my arm, then why are my muscles tired". From that point onward I´m not sure if I was lifting my arm consciously or not. I get the impression that if it had been totally conscious, my arm would have fatigued a lot sooner though.
I was then given the suggestion to corpse with laughter. Whilst I did have an ear to ear grin I didn´t laugh. I think the analytical part of me was back in action by then, I remember thinking again "this isn´t going to work with me".
Afterwards I felt very relaxed and had a general sense of wellbeing.
I think a deepener between the arm levitation and the laughter suggestion might have got better results.
I can´t wait to have another go! I can now wholeheartedly recommend trance to my subjects, I honestly can´t see how anyone wouldn´t like that feeling (provided the hypnotist avoids regressions and isn´t wreckless or nasty).

At no time did I feel like I was out of control, I knew that if I wanted to bring my arm back down again that I could (although maybe that´s because I wasn´t given the suggestion that I wouldn´t be able to? Smile ). I think what may have stopped me laughing was the idea that I might look like a fool, being the only one laughing hysterically.

Anyone who hasn´t tried trance is missing out (in my book). Smile
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