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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
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On 2011-04-15 15:42, Dannydoyle wrote: If you really want to make your case, start calling him a meathead.
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
Danny wrote: "Oh wait let me guess as the good lib that you guys are you paid the MAXIMUM amount of taxes today right? OR did you maybe try to pay as few dollars as possible? Come on now... be honest good lib. Did you pay as much as possible or as little? If it is as little as possible, within the law, then why is it bad when a corporation does the same thing?"
Because I don't make the laws, they do. The best that money can buy. But you knew that . . . Do you really think a world where you pay more money in taxes than GE is just?
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EsnRedshirt Special user Newark, CA 895 Posts |
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On 2011-04-15 15:42, Dannydoyle wrote: Maybe because I'm not taking home $19 billion in profits, plus walking away with $200 million in rebates (paid for by the taxpayers.) It seems to me that you like to compare corporations to people. I'm really not certain that's such a great idea.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
OH no because you are for the people and hate corporations LOL. Yea now did you or did you not pay the maximum taxes you could or is that just for anyone who makes more money than you do? Funny how right where the rubber meets the road you guys never walk the walk do ya'?
So it is money that makes the difference huh? Yea nice. Pretty clear LOL. Thanks for pointing out hypocracy. I just love to see it. Shouldn't matter if you want equality LOL. Man you guys are predictable and funny.
Danny Doyle
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On 2011-04-15 16:43, landmark wrote: So that GE story was the truth huh? Wanna bet money on it? Consider it like paying the taxes you should have. Before you answer and get further into it, here from ESNRedshirts favorite soruce of truth. http://www.cnbc.com/id/42570045 But by all means keep using a fake story to make a silly point. Don't let a stupid thing like the truth stop you. It never seems to stop libs LOL.
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EsnRedshirt Special user Newark, CA 895 Posts |
Danny, I filled out the forms, checked the appropriate deductions, and paid what was due. I selected appropriate deductions for tax credits, and properly deducted donations to charity (and probably underestimated their actual value, so yes, I probably paid higher taxes than I could have.)
I did not use "the Double Irish Arrangement" tax loophole, as that is only available to corporations. Nor did I utilize the Dutch Sandwich tax loophole, either, for the same reason. Nor did I flash buy and sell stock to make profit classified as "capital gains" and subject to only a 10% tax, rather than the standard tax rate for my income; I'd need to start with a lot more capital to do that. I didn't declare my spouse or children as employees and take a deduction for their pay. In fact, I didn't use any of the existing loopholes, and even if I had wanted to, could not have, as they were written to be usable by people (or companies) much richer than I am. By the way, you didn't research the link you posted. GE did in fact make $5.1 billion in tax-free profit and received a $3.2 billion tax refund. The hoax was that they were going to repay that refund. Source: http://story.albuquerqueexpress.com/inde......e-prank/
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On 2011-04-15 12:14, balducci wrote: I found them a bit surprising, but I didn't have a strong expectation. Of course, the "per capita" look is just one of many ways to look at it, which can be arbitrarily chosen to make us look inhospitable. Alternatively, we could look at the raw numbers, or compare them to country size or population density. I don't know that there's any "magic" ratio involved; I was just curious as to what the percentages looked like elsewhere.
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
I didn't have time to read everything but relating imports from a country vs exports is not a proper measure of the problem. A country such as Malaysia is exporting goods to Europe, Japan, etc. that formerly exported from the US, Canada, and so forth. It is total exports that add to the countries power from a financial basis not imports. In general you want to export much more than you import. In Thailand, for example, they have a BOI, Board of Investment, that collects a fee on all imports which is returned to who ever carries the BOI certificate once the goods are exported, the goal being that all manufactured goods for foriegn companies are exported from Thailand.
About India. A few years ago they made some major errors which reduced their standing as a manufacturing country, meaning they stuck it to the companies in the US and Europe that were setting up there. |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On 2011-04-15 18:33, EsnRedshirt wrote: So you did everything within the law to pay as few taxes as you could. Great. Now why is it bad when corporations do the same thing? For that matter why is it bad when they try to make as much money as possible? YOU do the same thing! But you do not consider yourself evil, rather the opposite you are quite proud of being so cool. So why are corporations evil for making profit IF THEY DO IT WITHIN THE LAW?
Danny Doyle
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
What is wrong with making your own law where you don't have to pay but every body else has to pay you?
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
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On 2011-04-15 17:56, Dannydoyle wrote: Danny, you totally misunderstood what that story was about. Read it again. You paid more taxes than GE. But maybe you like being a sucker.
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EsnRedshirt Special user Newark, CA 895 Posts |
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On 2011-04-15 19:50, Dannydoyle wrote: Err, you did see where I said "if I wanted to", right? There were probably a few loopholes I could have used, but did not. And I did say I undervalued my donations. but it doesn't matter- Tommy is right. Those loopholes got there somehow, and some are so specific that it's not random chance they were inserted into tax law. It's great to be able to afford lobbyists. Corporations are playing Calvin-ball, because they can. If you think that's fair, then okay, but I think it's rather twisted. Landmark, don't bother with the "you pay more taxes than GE" argument. Danny thinks corporations never pay taxes because they just pass on those costs to us. I suspect he'd rather they have a zero percent tax rate under the mistaken belief that they'd drop their prices out of the goodness of their hearts. Silly Danny, corporations don't have hearts. They're not really people, despite your frequent comparisons and desire that they are.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On 2011-04-15 21:41, EsnRedshirt wrote: Corporations are owned by and employ PEOPLE! I looked it up. Seriously. Oh but wait they are all evil because they make more money than you and can afford to pay more. So let me ask you something. You guys took EVERY deduction available by law, yet somehow that is bad if it is a corporation. Why exactly is that? What is it about people who make more money than you that you so hate? Don't bother with the "I suspect he would..." arguement because you have enough to do to keep your own brainwashed thoughts toether. Then my favorite part is when you want to apply to me what you think I meant. Corporations are run by and employ PEOPLE. Oh and just let me ask you a question. Have you ever had a poor man give you a job before? I havn't I was just curious as to if this was a microcasam. I am not telling you that they will drop prices out of the goodness of their hearts. That is an idiotic lib thought process that you use feelings to do business. I am telling you if it is worth their while to have lower prices in order to make more money they will do it. I don't expect you to understand business as you seem to have major trouble with economics in general, but if a company like Wal-Mart, (which you despise so much) makes money by selling things for low prices then that is good thing for everyone right? I doubt you think it but oh well. Oh wait a minute I just found out stock holders are PEOPLE too! Some people have pensions invested in the fact that corporations will MAKE MONEY! Go figure. But then again I am not a google expert now am I?
Danny Doyle
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EsnRedshirt Special user Newark, CA 895 Posts |
And I'm saying if corporations were people, they'd be psychopaths. Quite possible some of the people actually running corporations are psychopaths. What kind of person other than a psychopath would let a person die just so they can have more money?
That's a reason I won't buy stock in insurance companies. I refuse to make money off the misfortune of others.
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
1) You know that corporations write the tax rules to favor themselves.
2) You know that the big corporations get away with illegal activity that you or I would not get away with. 3) You know that the argument that corporations are just people is a silly argument, since Charles Manson is a person too, and lots of people depended on John Gotti too. So what's your story?
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On 2011-04-15 22:30, EsnRedshirt wrote: So all corporations are this bad huh? Wow that is a biggoted attitude. What corporation lets people die so they can have more money? This should be good.
Danny Doyle
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On 2011-04-15 22:33, landmark wrote: Wow I know all that huh? Corporations write the tax rules? Interesting position. They do things that you and I would not get away with? Such as? The third point is just dumb enough to be the HITLER of this thread. Congrats. Oh and I have no story.
Danny Doyle
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EsnRedshirt Special user Newark, CA 895 Posts |
Danny, I just said what corporation let's people die so they can make a buck. If you didn't catch it your reading comprehension skills are lacking.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
So obviously it is much better to have our government doing that?
Danny Doyle
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EsnRedshirt Special user Newark, CA 895 Posts |
Quote: You know what it is when someone thinks that the government is going to kill citizens and completely destroy our way of life?
On 2011-04-15 23:27, Dannydoyle wrote: HYPERBOLE!
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