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unclesamayen Elite user Taiwan 459 Posts 
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Hello everyone,
I think it's hard to fool magicians cause we alreday know some principles or gimmicks. But I think there must be some effects that are seldom seen or with very clever methods. Can somebody recommand some magician fooler effects? Thank you very much. Best, YuYen
Comedy, Mental, Busking.
Performing magic for the blinds. http://youtu.be/nW3O0nucQUI Busking in Mong Kok http://youtu.be/WqohXqTxRVU |
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Amirá Inner circle MentalismCenter.com 5131 Posts
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Magician fooler...
Psychic phenomena... that's the ultimate fooler.
Pablo
Performer and Author Mentalism Center: The best online space to get quality Mentalism www.mentalismcenter.com Arkanosophy: The Boutique for Mystery Performers www.arkanosophy.com |
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Thomas Cooper Special user 935 Posts
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A Mentalist can easily fool a magician, and a clever magician can fool a Mentalist. Most magicians have no idea how my Card Reading effect works; even though most Mentalists do.
I call myself "Thomas Cooper" here because this stops the magic café appearing when people google my stage name.
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dmoses Inner circle 2261 Posts
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One way deck.
"You're a comedian. You wanna do mankind a service, tell funnier jokes."
TPR by Dave Moses and Iain Dunford T-shirts for Magicians and Mentalists |
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Claudio Inner circle Europe 1946 Posts
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On 2011-04-13 12:25, Theodore Fraser wrote: Why create an artificial dichotomy between magicians and mentalists? Mentalism is a branch of magic. I think it's nonsensical to oppose them. |
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LLL Inner circle 1574 Posts
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On 2011-04-13 12:06, unclesamayen wrote: Best way to fool them isn't to use fancy methods, it's to use simple ones in unique ways. Andy
The basic tool for the manipulation of reality is the manipulation of words. If you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use the words.
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unclesamayen Elite user Taiwan 459 Posts
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On 2011-04-13 13:27, mescalitoeyes wrote: I like this one. But there are still some effects with fancy methods that will fool magicians, like "color match". YuYen
Comedy, Mental, Busking.
Performing magic for the blinds. http://youtu.be/nW3O0nucQUI Busking in Mong Kok http://youtu.be/WqohXqTxRVU |
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Jim-Callahan V.I.P. 5018 Posts
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On 2011-04-13 12:51, Claudio wrote: Were did you get that bit of miss-information? J ack H.o.A-X
“I can make Satan’s devils dance like fine gentlemen across the stage of reality”.
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magicmayne New user 82 Posts
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unclesamayen Elite user Taiwan 459 Posts
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On 2011-04-13 14:05, magicmayne wrote: Seriously? or it's a joke? YuYen
Comedy, Mental, Busking.
Performing magic for the blinds. http://youtu.be/nW3O0nucQUI Busking in Mong Kok http://youtu.be/WqohXqTxRVU |
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magicmayne New user 82 Posts
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On 2011-04-13 14:09, unclesamayen wrote: Why would I be joking? Zak |
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TonyBrand Special user Chicago, IL 508 Posts
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I would have to echo Andy's comment. In my opinion, it is less about the method itself than it is the presentation. As an example, if you take a method another famous mentalist (or magician) uses and present it in EXACTLY the same manner, you are more susceptible to being exposed. However, if you use the same (often simple) method and dress it up with an entirely new presentation/patter, you have just added another layer of deception and misdirection.
My point: make the effect your own and only you will know how it is done. |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts
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I have many routines that fool magicians regularly. But if I posted them on a public forum that would no longer be the case.
Also, I have to echo Jim here. While I don't see an opposition at all between magic and mentalism, they are, nonetheless, fundamentally different. The techniques of mentalism were developed largely outside of magic. Good thoughts, Bob Cassidy |
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MichaelCGM Inner circle Oklahoma City 2286 Posts
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On 2011-04-13 14:05, magicmayne wrote: This should do it Too cool! Great response. magicmayne!  |
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MichaelCGM Inner circle Oklahoma City 2286 Posts
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On 2011-04-13 14:55, mastermindreader wrote: The techniques of mentalism were developed largely outside of magic. A question for you, Bob... since I humbly bow to your wisdom on the subject of mentalism. Did mentalism begin as an additional aspect of yesteryear's magicians or did it begin as a stand-alone art, using some of the magician's weaponry? Two points: I'm talking about theatrical mentalism, not those areas that have always claimed actual powers (channeling, fortune telling, voodoo, etc). Second, what books would you recommend regarding the history of theatrical mentalism? Thanks, Doc. |
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Jamie D Inner circle Ontario, Canada 2292 Posts
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On 2011-04-13 14:05, magicmayne wrote: Ah cool.............. I'm going to get one of these to trick all my friends and family out. Darren
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Artie Fufkin Special user 853 Posts
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Mentalists seem to have an abiding insecurity that they deal with in claiming that they have nothing to do with magic.
Of course, it also begs the question as to why they're posting on "The MAGIC Café", and why 99% of their books and props are sold in magic stores. As for the techniques of mentalism being developed largely outside of magic, the techniques of coin magic were developed largely outside of the techniques of large stage illusion.........but they're all associated with magic. As for those giving fake readings, and claiming supernatural powers......they're related to the same gypsy witch fortune tellers and psychic surgery con artists that have haunted the earth from day #1. |
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Lord Of The Horses Inner circle 5406 Posts
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On 2011-04-13 14:55, mastermindreader wrote: Yes, Bob - LARGELY - indeed. And having taken my Ford Kross 101 class on origins of Mentalism some years back, I know you are right! 
Then you'll rise right before my eyes, on wings that fill the sky, like a phoenix rising!
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lumberjohn Special user Memphis, TN 626 Posts
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Magicians get into the same thought ruts that everyone else does. If you've always seen McDonald's Aces performed with a certain gaff, then each additional time you see it, your brain is more likely to go on autopilot. In this case, a different, unexpected method will likely fool you, at least in the short term as your brain wakes up and is forced back into a cognitive attention mode.
Certain methodologies become trendy and then go out of style. I often see magicians fooled by old methods that wouldn't have fooled anyone thirty years ago, but have become deceptive again to magicians due to their period of dormancy. In short, if you want to fool a magician, apply a new method to a standard trick or use a method that has gone out of style. While there will occasionally arise new methods, your window for fooling magicians with them will be short as these usually become trendy fairly quickly, at least if they are any good. |
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts
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To "fool" somebody presupposes you make an idiot of them. I don't think good mentalism or magic does that. At least not in my definition of whats good. They entertain, mystify and provoke thoughtful conversations.
Who wants to "fool"? Only a fool most likely! |
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