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BlakeBlair
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WOW Here is a freaky POST...

Where do I get a real Skull.?... You know just like we all saw in Anatomy Class... Im Not Looking for No Plastic recreation... but real BoNeS...

Tell me what you think and Where!

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Look on-line at medical supply sites. Oh, by the way, be prepared to spend upwards of $500. Skulls (human or otherwise) are not cheap. Smile
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Here's a link to a site that specifically sells human skulls - anywhere from $250-700!
http://www.boneroom.com/bone/bone1.html

The topic was discussed on the Café at:
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......forum=14

Now, what are you doing that you're willing to spend this kind of cash?

Just curious,
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Ask at the nearest medical school. A lot of medical students buy them to study anatomy and get rid of them when the have finished. Other students usually buy these at really good prices.
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Or just buy yourself a shovel and a torch... ;-)
BlakeBlair
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I aready have a shovel and torch.... But the towns folk chased me out of town.... so i better spend the money... Smile Smile

I did look up the web sites listed above.. Thank You.. They were all goods sites...

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You can also try the American Anatomical Chart folks, they have skeletons and parts, both cast resin/plastic and real, real will set you back about $400 or so for the real one as I recall!.
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Are these things(Skulls) marked in some way? I had a friend with one and eventually the police ended up questioning her. It was weird but so was she.
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Rob, et al.,

I recently got to go the Bone Room's "show room" out in Berkley CA. It's great. They had a real monkey's paw too. Someone was looking for that a while back.

A great place with all kinds of bones from all kinds of critters.

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I found one but it's still attached to my shoulders and spine...
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to avoid those unpleasant police queries, just keep your receipt!


Ah yes, the bone room, a favorite place, being local, if folks are in doubt as to the items they might order, let me know, and when I am in the vicinity I will gladly check things out for you, though I have been known to bury the odd road kill on my backyard ant hill to await the bones, (did you know that the fang of a rattlesnake is serrated?)
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What an interesting thread! Reminds of the following true story...

A few years ago here in Britain, an amateur actor shuffled off this mortal coil, and we might have supposed that the curtain had fallen on his last performance. But not so. For one of the stipulations in this thespian's will was that his skull was to be donated to the Royal Shakepeare Company, so that it could be used as a prop.

Now, his abbreviated remains did make an appearance or two in 'Hamlet' (you know the scene); but, sadly, his skull was all too soon retired. For not only was it freaking out the actors (we're not really into method acting here in the UK:)), but it was also found to be too fragile for the rough and tumble of nightly theatre, (with matinees on Wednesday and Sunday). Alas, this poor Yorick's jests were less than infinite...

Anyway, just thought I'd warn you, bb.

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here in south africa you need a licence for every human body part... sadly most of the skulls have had the tops lopped off to remove the brains. yummy
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Caleb Strange

Thank You for the Headsup... HAHA Litterally.. Yes I am aware of the fagility of real bones. I just finished up a college Anatomy course, and got to disect Real brains, Hearts, and Lungs...as well as Play with Real and Plastic Bones..The effect that is being created with the real skull, will be seen upclose but really not handled. The Plastic one would do, but they don't have as much detail, especially in the "sutures" as well as touching them, the grain of bone is distinct..The plastic is just to smooth...

Pretty cool...

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bb,

Talk of sutures got me thinking. Trepanning might make an interesting subject for a bizarre story. I'll get back to you, if the drill doesn't slip... Smile

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Here is a Brief insite of Trepanning from the web page of: [outdated link]

see more at this link..

Making Holes in the Skull:
Ancient Psychosurgery?

Just imagine: a hole of 2.5 to 5 cm of diameter, drilled by hand into the skull of a living man, without any anesthesia or asepsis, during 30 to 60 long minutes. This is maybe the most ancient form of brain surgery known to man: it is called trepanning (from Greek trupanon, borer) or trephining. And one of the reasons for performing this bone-chilling procedure was perhaps the same that motivated modern surgeons, such as Dr. Egas Moniz, to perform psychosurgery, in order to alleviate mental symptoms.

Skulls with signs of trepanning were found practically in all parts of the world where man has lived. Trepanning is probably the oldest surgical operation known to man: evidence for it goes back as far as in 40,000 year-old Cro-Magnon sites.

Trepanning was "fashionable" on and off along the ages, probably with different reasons. It was practiced in the Stone Age, in Ancient Egypt, in the Greek and Roman pre-historic and classic times, in the Far and Middle East, among the Celtic tribes, in China (ancient and recent), India, among the Mayans, Aztecs and Incas, among Brazilian indians (karaya and eugano), in the South Seas, and in North and Equatorial Africa (where they are still in use, incredibly as it may seem).

The first historical and medical accounts of trepanning in Antiquity were made in 1867, by E.G. Squier, in North America, and by Paul Broca, in Europe.

We will never know how and when primitive man came to the discovery of trepanning, and we can only speculate on the reasons for which they were carried out. The specialists think that, according to culture and time, these reasons could be:

Magical and religious rituals, to bring luck and to offer sacrifice, etc. In many cultures (mainly those which were known as head-worshippers, because they attributed special significance to the head and brain in their religion), trepanning was very common, and the round slab of bone taken out of a skull is used as an amulet. There is the possibility that the large number of trepanned skulls found in military posts were from enemies, who were used as suppliers of these amulets.
Shamanistic therapies, mainly due to the conviction that opening the skull would liberate "bad spirits" or demons that inhabited the patient's body. These trepanations could then be considered "psychosurgeries", in the sense that probably the most common indications were mental diseases, epilepsy, blindness, etc.
For the treatment of legitimate medical conditions, such as strong headaches, skull fractures and wounds, osteomyelitis, encephalitis, elevated intracranial pressure due to hematomas, hydrocephalus and brain tumors, etc. In fact, for some of these conditions, trepanning shows a true therapeutic effect, and it is still used by neurosurgeons. In the South Seas and in North African tribes (rifkabyla and hausa) and Kenya (kisi), trepanning is carried out particularly for relieving war wounds inflicted to the head. The Father of Medicine, Hippocrates, wrote detailed instructions on how to perform skull trepanning for a variety of medical conditions,
From the Middle Ages well into the 18th century in Europe, trepanning was common as a medical procedure very much like bloodletting, i.e.; it had no medical usefulness per se. Repeated trepanning was common; for instance it is related that Prince Philip of Orange was trepanned 17 times by his physician. De La Touche, a French physician trepanned 52 times one of his patient, within a two-month period! Many physicians, from the Roman times on, also believed that the bone slabs (called rondelles) taken from trepanned skulls had therapeutic value when pulverized and mixed with other beverages given to the patients for several diseases.

Ancient Greek metal trephines Trepanning was performed either by bone abrasion (by using a sharp-edged stone or volcanic glass knifes) or by cutting (using semicircular trephines, which cut by means of a swinging motion, such as those found in the Central and South America civilizations). The Egyptians invented the circular trephine, made by a tube with serrated borders, which cuts much easier by means of rotation, and which was then extensively used in Greece and Rome, and gave origin to the "crown" trephine, used in Europe from the first to the 19th century. One of the major inventions in trephine technology was the central spike, which was used to center the rotational movement, so that a better precision was achieved.

How long took a surgical trepanning?

When it is made in a single session (yes, in some cultures the trepanning is made in several sessions, which can take up to 12 days!), it takes from 30 to 60 minutes of continuous sawing or drilling. Paul Broca, the ubiquitous French neurosurgeon and anthropologist, determined this experimentally in animals and cadavers, in 1867.

19th century trephine saw Did patients survive such a drastic operation, without antibiotics, asepsis or anesthetics?

It is hard to believe, but judging from the number of skulls which showed healing and bone regeneration at the borders, the proportion of "patients' who survived the ordeal of a trepanning was quite high, from 65 to 70 %. Out of 400 skulls examined by one researcher, 250 indicated recovery. In modern times (14th to 18th centuries) this proportion was much lower, sometimes approaching zero. Birner (1996) cites that a professional "trepanator" named Mery, lost all his patients in 60 years of activity. The most common cause of death was infection of the meninges or of the brain, or hemorrhage. If these factors are carefully controlled (for example, by interrupting the action of the trephine before it touches the brain meninges), it is quite a safe operation. In 1962, a Peruvian neurosurgeon performed a trepanning on a head-trauma patient, using the surgical instruments of ancient Peru. The patient survived.

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bb,

This should be fun! Many thanks for the references. I have an article in my library about hippies trepanning each other in the 1960's (plenty of gory photographs)! One picture sticks in my mind, as it were, of a young woman with a bloodstained bandage around her forehead; blood pours darkly down the front of her face; curiously, she looks dazed, but happy!

There's got to be a good story or twelve around the theme of trepanning. I'm wondering if it would be possible to persuade people that one had just such a hole, healed over of course, in one's head? Maybe that skull dent from childhood, or that hollow above the ear, could pass for such a thing? I mean, who is going to press too hard, if they think that they're touching your brain? Kind of like fontanelles on infants. ('So let me get this straight, doctor; my child, the fruit of my loins, has a couple of holes in his skull, which will stay there for a good year or so; I'm not to worry, but I should try not to press too hard, or I'll squash his brain. You're kidding me, right? Please tell me you're kidding?')

Maybe this hole is the source of all your powers? Tip: hope that your performer's insurance covers any copy-cat mishap...

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Caleb Strange.
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Caleb.. I guess people would just about believe anything now days... !

I think, I hear a patter for an illusion coming soon...

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Hmmm,

I found a skull at my job (railroad), of what looked like some large wild cat or dog, it was mean looking.
I was going to bring it home and bleech it, but the wife did not like the idea at all - she hates Ouija boards also.

I was thinking this animal skull could of been used in some presentation (after seeing if it would of brought some $$$ on e-bay first).

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Seems like you guys should take a trip to the Mutter museum in Philly!

It was great--there ia a huge skull collection there and my kids loved the 2 headed babies. Tons of medical specimens--surgical history, much more!
Chang and Eng's cast is there.

http://www.collphyphil.org/muttpg1.shtml

Have fun!

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