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caruk New user 82 Posts |
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On 2011-04-18 22:23, oldngrey wrote: Yeah, right........... [/quote] Well, I see that your's is the only point of view. OK. To others who will keep an open mind: I had a lot of that "Let me see the cards..." (from drunks, sobers, nuns from Indiana...etc.) when I was new to performing. My skills with the audience have gotten better and the demand for my props has faded away. Also, not all effects with gimmicks end with the gimmick still in hand. Lately, I mix in the gaff stuff with the un/non/anti/gaff cards which evens things out in the spectator's eyes. [/quote] I have an open mind. "Skills" with the audience still DO NOT prevent you from encountering the Grabber (or other a**holes). WHAT DO YOU DO WHEN THEY DEMAND TO SEE THE CARDS?????? |
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S2000magician Inner circle Yorba Linda, CA 3465 Posts |
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On 2011-04-18 21:50, caruk wrote: I would do the same thing that the magician you cited performing Too Many Cards for David Letterman would have done had David Letterman asked to see the cards before the end of the effect: refuse politely. Your scenario isn't a matter of using gaffs. |
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caruk New user 82 Posts |
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On 2011-04-18 22:23, oldngrey wrote: Yeah, right........... [/quote] Well, I see that your's is the only point of view. OK. To others who will keep an open mind: I had a lot of that "Let me see the cards..." (from drunks, sobers, nuns from Indiana...etc.) when I was new to performing. My skills with the audience have gotten better and the demand for my props has faded away. Also, not all effects with gimmicks end with the gimmick still in hand. Lately, I mix in the gaff stuff with the un/non/anti/gaff cards which evens things out in the spectator's eyes. [/quote] Mine is the only point of view??? Put on your spectacles. No one can tell me me what they do when they get get nailed using gaffes. That's because they look like fools and have no response. |
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Opine Traveler Veteran user 342 Posts |
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WHAT DO YOU DO WHEN THEY DEMAND TO SEE THE CARDS?????? caruk, Your constantly shouting the question doesn't further the conversation. Besides, it's been answered, but you haven't paid attention. There are ways to manage the construction of your routines, your entire sets, and the audiences themselves so that this situation rarely, if ever, arises out of hand. You can even manage situations so that they DO make the demand, but at a time of your choosing. Even if the demand should somehow come up at an inopportune moment, there are ways to handle things, and those ways will differ from situation to situation. To repeatedly assert that this is an insurmountable problem, though (which is, in essence, what you're doing), is a falsehood. |
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caruk New user 82 Posts |
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On 2011-04-18 23:11, S2000magician wrote: That's the point. |
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caruk New user 82 Posts |
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On 2011-04-18 23:16, Opine Traveler wrote: I won't shout.. What do you do when you get nailed with a gaff? |
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S2000magician Inner circle Yorba Linda, CA 3465 Posts |
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On 2011-04-18 23:15, caruk wrote: I suspect that when you end your posts with "'Nuff said", suggesting that yours is the last word on the subject, you strongly imply that yours in the only opinion that matters. At least, it's possible that that's how people might interpret it. It appears that some have done so here. |
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S2000magician Inner circle Yorba Linda, CA 3465 Posts |
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On 2011-04-18 23:24, caruk wrote: The same thing you do when you get nailed without a gaff. Whether you get busted with a gaff or get busted with a sleight or get busted with extra cards or get busted for some other reason, the reason isn't important. If someone demands to see the cards when you have a gaff, refuse politely. If someone demands to see the cards when you have more (or fewer, or different) cards than you've claimed, refuse politely. It seems relatively straightforward. |
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newlyn New user 3 Posts |
While I must admit that I don't have a lot of experience performing. I have to say, if I were to have audience demanding to see the cards two things would come to mind:
1. Why am I letting the audience demand that I do anything? What do you do when they demand to know how a sleight works? Say no. What do you do if you're holding a break if they demand you turn your hand so they can see the back of the deck? say no. What do you do if they demand to see the cards when you have a DL flipped over? Say no. etc. etc. etc. 2. If this is happening often, I would have to ask myself, why don't I have a better command of the audience? |
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caruk New user 82 Posts |
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On 2011-04-18 23:24, S2000magician wrote: You're probably right. We are all entitled to our opinion. That is what this forum is for. Cheers. |
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rklew64 Inner circle 1265 Posts |
Such a sincere back peddling.
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Opine Traveler Veteran user 342 Posts |
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On 2011-04-18 23:24, caruk wrote: Once again, asked and answered. |
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caruk New user 82 Posts |
This is not back peddling. I stand by everything I said.
Gaffes are for wannabes. I merely acknowledged the right for all of of us to express our opinion. You are a fool. |
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Opine Traveler Veteran user 342 Posts |
Now you're resorting to personal name calling.
Several here have expressed pretty much the same thing in different ways. What I'm starting to believe is that you can't see how the use of gimmicked cards is practical because you don't know how to manage them. With that in mind, I'm in full agreement with you that you never use them. In fact, I beg you not to. It's better for you. It's better for us. It's certainly better for your audiences. Triple win. |
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oldngrey New user 12 Posts |
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No one can tell me me what they do when they get get nailed using gaffes. That's because they look like fools and have no response. [/quote] Let me try to answer you. For example, I have had things go wrong with different tricks, both gaffed and with sleights. I have made good use of a bunker full of outs, some smoother than others! Either way, I've never felt "busted" or like I'm on trial, owing anyone answers. I just recover, move on, and get back to entertaining. I owe them a good performance. (Your next trick is your best friend, BTW.) I don't feel any olbligation to drunks that might snatch my cards. If they snatch my ungaffed deck, they would likely ruin the trick anyway. I'd still recover and get back to work. The truth is that a stumbling drunk will probably not remember much the next day, anyway! These past few years, I have been performing for family, friends, paid gigs, people "that-hate-card-tricks-which-were-too-slow-to-avoid-me", and magicians. I seem to be developing a sense for THE trouble maker. "Forewarned is forearmed", so things are going quite well. Most of what I do is not framed as a puzzle in patter or presentation, anyway. So, perhaps my selection of effects allows me to lead a charmed life. I really don't know. A few years ago, Paul Green was performing at a party which I attended. He had a "grabby" drunk woman that just wanted to be one step ahead of him. He easily, politely, managed to ease her out of the equation. I witnessed this when I was still getting my bearings in strolling magic. I took his lesson to heart.
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RS1963 Inner circle 2734 Posts |
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On 2011-04-18 23:40, caruk wrote: Really? So Michael Skinner was a wannabe? What about Bill Malone? Ackerman? Hamman? on and on and on. If you can't use a gaffed card here and there without getting caught it isn't the gaffs fault. It is yours. |
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S2000magician Inner circle Yorba Linda, CA 3465 Posts |
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On 2011-04-18 23:40, caruk wrote: Gaffes are blunders. Most wannabes commit gaffes, some frequently. Most professionals commit gaffes occasionally, and are skilled enough to overcome them. If you meant that gaffs are for wannabes, then you're mistaken. Nobody who has any appreciation for the art of magic would consider Ricky Jay a wannabe. Nor David Roth, nor Simon Aronson, nor Doc Eason, nor Jonathan Pendragon, nor David Regal, nor John Bannon, nor Derek Dingle, nor a host of other magicians. They've all used gaffs. You are, of course, entitled to your opinion, but you might consider that, on this subject, your opinion is ill-reasoned. Or, at least, ill-presented. |
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BarryFernelius Inner circle Still learning, even though I've made 2537 Posts |
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On 2011-04-18 23:40, caruk wrote: The list of wannabes is quite long and includes guys like Hofzinser, Dai Vernon, Burling Hull, Ed Marlo, Michael Skinner, Bro. John Hamman, Del Ray, (and so forth). In this case, I'll cast my lot with the wannabes. BUT WHAT IF YOU ARE CAUGHT?! You figure out ways to manage your gaffs so the problem doesn't occur anymore. Start clean, let 'em shuffle up, do some great stuff that doesn't rely on gaffs. Then, ring in the gaff, and fry 'em. While they're still reeling, quietly clean up. Is it really so hard?
"To achieve great things, two things are needed: a plan and not quite enough time."
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Whit Haydn V.I.P. 5449 Posts |
I don't like gaffs, but I use them. I always carry a stack of stranger cards, sometimes a double back and sometimes a blank card. I also carry a Brainwave Deck and Rising Card Deck. I'm with the wannabe's on this one.
Oh, and I often carry the same set of gaffed cards my friend Michael Skinner carried for Ultimate Monte... He would be with the wannabe's... |
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vinsmagic Eternal Order sleeping with the fishes... 10957 Posts |
I also disslike gaffs, but if you use them I will fry magicians esp if you are not know to use gaffs.
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