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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
I'm sorry the ending was given away here on the open forum.
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Paul Rathbun Inner circle Michigan 2543 Posts |
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On 2011-04-24 09:32, magicians wrote: Ian, Don't you get the fact that Cody Fisher is not trying to "share" this routine, he is trying to sell it? If you want to post your videos that can be reverse engineered that is your prerogative, but I doubt if you were trying to sell a routine, you would choose to post video of the entire routine to be reverse engineered and used for free. If you did, you probably wouldn't be selling very many of your routine.
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isaacfawlkes Loyal user FL 256 Posts |
I must agree Pete. Probably the same type of person that yells out the punchline of a joke.
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lebowski Veteran user 377 Posts |
My guess is that the aceofharts endorsement will cost Cody sales. Not sure if that was the true intent of the ace, or if this post is just another case of bad judgement.
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Paul Rathbun Inner circle Michigan 2543 Posts |
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On 2011-04-24 10:57, Pete Biro wrote: Pete, isaacfawlkes, lebowski, I am confused. Where is there any info on this thread that isn't given in the ad copy? The surprise ending is talked about on Cody Fisher's ad for this product. Read it here: http://codyfisher.com/store/item/silk-2-......d-e-book Aceofharts just told us that it got a great reaction. Feel free to PM me if you don't want to point out what I am missing in the open forum.
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Floyd Collins Inner circle Ohio 1633 Posts |
Pete,
Yeah I am a bit confused myself, would appreciate a PM myself on what I exposed. However here is the sale ad, I had checked it before posting what I did. http://codyfisher.com/store/item/silk-2-......d-e-book "Cody Fisher's Incredible "Silk 2 Egg" Routine The Effect: The magician takes a silk and places it into his hand. One magical gesture and the silk is now an egg! The silk is shown to have magically transported to the magician's pocket! The magician proceeds to let the audience in on the secret by exposing the fact that the egg is hollow and he was using two silks. Now that the audience completely understands, a volunteer is brought onstage, given two silks and a gimmicked egg and told to copy the magicians every action. This is done and both the magician and the volunteer have magically transformed their silk into an egg. The magician says that this is the EASY way to do the trick; the more advanced version is to remove the silk (sticker) and crack the egg to show that it is actually a REAL egg! The magician says that he feels the onstage volunteer is a quick learner and they are instructed to do the same with their gimmicked egg. To the amazement of the onstage volunteer they do just that! They pull off the silk; it is actually a sticker now! They crack the egg into the glass! Their egg is 100% REAL too and they have NO IDEA how they did it! Now you can learn this KILLER stand up routine direct from Cody's act. This 25 page PDF explains every aspect of the routine. There are over 40 color pictures to help you quickly learn the routine. If you have ever wanted to perform a version of "Silk To Egg", why not perform the one that has TWICE the impact! So maybe I should have used ***** instead of the word switch? lebowski "My guess is that the aceofharts endorsement will cost Cody sales. Not sure if that was the true intent of the ace, or if this post is just another case of bad judgement." Not at all my intent, and I doubt if my post is in anyway going to harm Cody sales of this outstanding routine. isaacfawlkes "I must agree Pete. Probably the same type of person that yells out the punchline of a joke. " That gave me a big smile, I normally don't yell my punchline out but maybe I should,, hehe Thanks guys for the PM I cant wait to hear what I have done here that is no more then sharing my findings with the routine as Ian and others have requested. --Floyd
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
MY APLOGIES I had not seen the ad copy where he describes removing the sticker by the speck. SORRY
Posted: Apr 24, 2011 2:26pm OK, looked it over and BOUGHT IT Very good thinking and could be a feature in any stand up act.
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magicians Inner circle Teacher and Legend 2898 Posts |
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On 2011-04-24 11:51, Paul Rathbun wrote: I meant sharing the video clip of the performance, not sharing the routine's method. I sell a lot of magic. I do my entire routine of anything I sell. I do a demo video clip and if the client sees exactly what they will be able to do, they will buy it. Unlike some demos, where it is a series of jump cuts and flash and transitions. In general, most of my effects are designed to fool magicians as well as laymen. The product they get is exactly what they see. One of my most popular clips is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slGS-qUo8Jg It is the effect from start to finish, as are all of my product demos. If I only sold this from a description, I would have less sales. If it can be reverse engineered, then its because someone might be thinking like a magician and guess right (it's rare). I am of the old school Brick and Mortar shop where if I want to sell something, I can hand the box with a description of the effect and hope the client can read or doesn't have attention deficit, or I can do the effect right in front of so they see what they could do when they learn the secret. I have been selling magic since 1974. I still say this thread should have been in product review. For the record, I own silk to egg, perform it and still don't understand what makes the Fisher effect so different as to warrant $35 pdf. I am satisfied with Sanders walk-a-round routine. ------------ And Aaron, I like your silk to egg in your demo, I don't think it can be reverse engineered.
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Floyd Collins Inner circle Ohio 1633 Posts |
Ian, You ask about the 35.00 price tag let me quote here someone who I dearly respect.
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On 2011-04-24 14:26, Pete Biro wrote: That's why and it's worth a whole lot more because he has taken the time to work out every detail that simply puts works. I know myself I have never sat down to figure it out, but always wounder if it was possible. And it is, if done as Cody explains. Steve would be proud. Cheers Floyd
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Cody S. Fisher V.I.P. Austin, Texas 1194 Posts |
Hey guys,
Sorry this has stirred such a debate. Yikes! First off Floyd was not saying anything that the ad did not say. I have never met him but his intentions here appear to be sincere. Congrats on your success with the routine Floyd. On the video issue, there is no video because I didn't want to make one, plain and simple. If you need a video to purchase this effect then I would skip it. If you have a silk to egg that you are happy with then skip it. If you are not a fan of my products then I would definitely skip it! ;-) I am not claiming anything new in Silk To Egg plot other than my ending. I have done this for years and in my version when the volunteer's egg (the one they are holding, the one they 'just' stuffed a silk into) is shown to be real. And THEY pull off the sticker and THEY crack it open and have NO IDEA how THEY did it. Well, the onstage volunteer is absolutely floored and THAT reaction of the onstage volunteer being totally fooled translates 10 fold to the audience. Some will love this and some will hate it. I understand. Have a Happy Sunday! Cody S. Fisher
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Paul Rathbun Inner circle Michigan 2543 Posts |
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On 2011-04-24 14:50, magicians wrote: Ian, You still don't seem to get the point I am trying to make. Cody's effect is silk to egg but with a new ending. If there were an uncut demo many magicians would be able to perform the effect (without paying for it, yes there are many dishonest magicians out there) after seeing it performed in an uncut performance video. . You said "If it can be reverse engineered, then its because someone might be thinking like a magician and guess right (its rare)." Well, who exactly do you think watches magic demos? Mostly magicians would be my guess and they do think like magicians as that is what they are. Cody was smart not to make an uncut demo for this as this is designed to fool laymen not magicians. Please note my intent is not to take anything away from your video demos. Like you said, you create magician foolers and reverse engineering would be more difficult and rare.
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magicians Inner circle Teacher and Legend 2898 Posts |
Cody has bought some of my effects, and is supportive. But I just feel that the time line as represented in the description had left out a critical element. If the spectator puts the silk in the egg, and never lets go (as implied) and then peels off the hole and cracks the egg. Then that is super, And, worthy of any price.
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Paul Rathbun Inner circle Michigan 2543 Posts |
Now I see what you are saying Ian. Yes, it would be incredible if the egg never left the spectator's grasp, and turned into a real egg. I can also see how that is implied in the description, but I think we both know that isn't how it goes. My guess would be that Cody has got it figured out so that hopefully that is what is remembered as happening.
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Cody S. Fisher V.I.P. Austin, Texas 1194 Posts |
Magic ads are written to describe the effect that the audience experiences. I wrote the ad based on how my audiences remember the trick. To write up every little detail for a magic ad would be ridiculous. Of course there are a few things missing from magic ads...those are the secrets! Sure there are some ads that are blatent lies...but anyone who knows my work will realize that I stand behind all my products.
I would really like to put this "he said", "I think", "Why no video", type nonsense to an end and just hear from people who actually have this...good or bad... If anyone feels I am being deceptive or just has more questions please do not hesitate to contact me. My phone / e-mail info is on my website. I am more than happy to talk with anyone in order to determine if any of my products are worth your consideration depending on your particular performing needs. Call me up and ask me whatever you want... Thanks, Cody S. Fisher
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Terry Owens Inner circle Ft. Wayne, Indiana 1707 Posts |
I've always found the effects that I've purchased from Cody highly commerical and in some cases under priced for the power of the effect. By just adding one effect from Cody into my show has gotten me more standing ovations than I've ever had in my shows. I love to see what he's releasing next.
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Aaron Smith Magic Inner circle Portland, OR 1447 Posts |
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On 2011-04-24 21:22, Cody S. Fisher wrote: SERIOUSLY!!! Thank you for sharing your experiences Floyd, I knew that you would have success with it. Honestly, if Floyd's review wasn't enough to sell you on this effect, then it's just not for you. |
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Floyd Collins Inner circle Ohio 1633 Posts |
Your welcome Aaron,
Its my pleasure, everything is so well motivated and you have lots of cover to do what you need to do in Cody routine. It is a KEEPER for me forsure!! Cheers Floyd
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Kune Veteran user 312 Posts |
So far it sounds very promising. Two things that worry me slightly, but Cody's probably already found ways around them:
1. What are the chances and the volunteer finding out their egg has transformed too early, and if it happens, how bigger problem is it? (i.e. if they realize the hole has become a sticker before you peel off your own and crack your own egg)? 2. How good do you need to be at audience management to perform it reliably? I'd be interested to hear from Cody or anyone who owns the routine - currently I perform the standard Dacri silk to egg - thanks One final thing I was curious about, I don't suppose there are any videos of it being performed available for those who have already bought the Ebook? Obviously it isn't needed, but it's always nice since it helps to pick up some extra subtleties that's lost in the text. |
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Cody S. Fisher V.I.P. Austin, Texas 1194 Posts |
Kune,
Excellent questions! To answer: 1. The PDF covers every aspect of the audience management you will need during the routine. Just follow my word-for-word script and you will have no problem with the above concerns. All the actions are completely motivated so your volunteer will not notice anything "too soon"... 2. See above. Concerning video...yes and no. I was originally going to release this a DVD but changed my mind as this routine will appear on a larger DVD project I am working on. Sometime in the next few years I plan on releasing a two volume "Stand Up Magic" DVD set that will include ALL my stand up material...Killer Prediction...Comedy Confab...Sweet Dreams...etc...Every trick will have live footage and current updated handlings and such. It will be a while before I release this set however. I considered putting out a "private" video of this like I did temporarily for "Sweet Dreams"...but the video didn't stay "private" for very long...so for this one I decided to just include it on the DVD... Cody Cody S. Fisher
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Harry Murphy Inner circle Maryland 5444 Posts |
I have the eBook and have walked through the routine several times and even had a captive audience of magic haters to critique me performing it. The magic haters are my roommates (two early twenty something women) and I’ve driven them crazy with “watch this” “what do you think” “pick a card”. Normally they run screaming from the house when it even looks like I’m going to do “something”.
Admittedly performing for two in a TV room is not a real performance. Given the limitations of a half-dozen walk throughs and a performance for a hostile audience I can say the routine flies. It works. The final switch is done on an off-beat with plenty of cover. It is well thought out and with a bit of practice, rehearsal, and polish it will be a good addition to the act. It got a strong positive reaction from my jaded roommates. They are still trying to reverse engineer the trick. Their memory of what happened is clearly leading them down the wrong path. I remain smugly silent! I have always liked the eggs to silk trick. I think I like it even more than the color changing silk. It seems to please the audience and the breaking of the real egg is almost up there with the final loads in a Chop Cup or Cups and Balls trick as a kicker finale. By comparison I see Cody’s solution at the level of the large melon hat load in a cups routine. It kicks butt. This is a routine that does require good audience and spectator-helper management. It is not for the faint of heart. Cody does cover some outs for the “what if” situations that might occur. As to a video? I hope that one doesn’t hit YouTube anytime soon and honestly I wouldn’t be sad if Cody didn’t sell that many this side of the Mississippi (sorry Cody).
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