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Ended up seeing the Grapes of Wrath again by accident a few nights ago at the Museum of Modern Art.
Wow, what a well-acted and directed movie. A dozen great character actors including John Carradine, Jane Darnell, Charley Grapewin, John Qualen, and of course Henry Fonda with a steely edge to him that he rarely showed in later films. Surprising how much of it speaks to today. Fans of the novel will be disappointed at the optimistic gloss in the latter half of the film, and at the omission of Steinbeck's devastating ending (somewhere there's a film of Gary Sinise's stage adaptation that gets it right), but it still is a powerful film.

Tom Joad's I'll Be There declaration:
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Gary Sinise's version is outstanding. Of course, it's really hard to suspend disbelief while watching this - after all, everyone knows that agricultural labor is one of those jobs that Americans won't do.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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Gary Sinise's version is outstanding. Of course, it's really hard to suspend disbelief while watching this - after all, everyone knows that agricultural labor is one of those jobs that Americans won't do.


Yes they will, just as long as they get rid of the illegals doing it first. American's just can't be seen working next to them.
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

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Gary Sinise's version is outstanding. Of course, it's really hard to suspend disbelief while watching this - after all, everyone knows that agricultural labor is one of those jobs that Americans won't do.


Yes they will, just as long as they get rid of the illegals doing it first. American's just can't be seen working next to them.


I'm sure the 'native americans' that some call "indians" share your opinion.
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What a sad story. The real story, as portrayed in the Sinise film. Lenny & George are two sides of Everyman. Incidentally, how George takes care of Lenny at the end is very important. It shows that there are sometimes no good solutions, and you may have to get your hands dirty in order to achieve the best that can be achieved, on this material earth.

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Gary Sinise's version is outstanding. Of course, it's really hard to suspend disbelief while watching this - after all, everyone knows that agricultural labor is one of those jobs that Americans won't do.


Yes they will, just as long as they get rid of the illegals doing it first. American's just can't be seen working next to them.


I'm sure the 'native americans' that some call "indians" share your opinion.


Though that wasn't really MY opinion, I'm sure they would.
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

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Lobo,
The point of the movie is that American workers were exploited. So even without illegals, those jobs are going to be offered at exploitation wages, or else companies will move to countries where they can exploit more. In the movie, the scabs were offered 5 cents a box, but Casey predicted the outcome--without a union they soon would be offered 2.5 cents a box.

I'm seeing my view about immigration evolve--as long as capital can move unfettered internationally, labor must be free to do so as well or else it's a race to the bottom.
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What a sad story. The real story, as portrayed in the Sinise film. Lenny & George are two sides of Everyman. Incidentally, how George takes care of Lenny at the end is very important. It shows that there are sometimes no good solutions, and you may have to get your hands dirty in order to achieve the best that can be achieved, on this material earth.

Woland

I think you're thinking of Of Mice and Men which Sinise also did a version of. I like the Burgess Meredith/Lon Chaney version a lot better. Burgess Meredith, another great great actor who too many only know from the Rocky movies.
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Burgess Meredith, another great great actor who too many only know from the Rocky movies.


You mean the Penguin?
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You're right, landmark, I was thinking of Of Mice and Men. Lon Chaney's portrayal of Lennie was parodied in innumerable cartoons, wasn't it?

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Sinise is a huge Steinbeck fan.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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You're still walking around and far from the "factor of production" question - as regards supply and demand.
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You're right, landmark, I was thinking of Of Mice and Men. Lon Chaney's portrayal of Lennie was parodied in innumerable cartoons, wasn't it?

W/


Yeah, you can tell the era of a cartoon by how they handle the mentally challenged.
1940's - Lenny
1990's - Rainman
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Sinise is a huge Steinbeck fan.

I saw Sinise's adaptation of Grapes of Wrath on Broadway in 1990. The last scene was extraordinary. Spoiler alert: don't read further if you're going to read the novel or see the Sinise film adaptation.

After days of rain, starvation, and loss of work the migrant Joads come across a barn. There, they find a dying man and small boy. The boy tells them that his father has not eaten for six days, having given all available food to his son. Ma looks to her daughter, Rose of Sharon, who has just miscarried, and the girl at once understands her mother's unstated thoughts. Rose of Sharon asks everyone to leave the barn and, once alone, she approaches the starving man. Despite his protests, she holds him close and suckles him.

In the theatre, the sense of quiet respect and awe was palpable. Because we understood that the charity was not just from Rose of Sharon, but from the actor who played her, Sally Murphy, in order to bring Steinbeck's vision to life.
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Burgess Meredith, another great great actor who too many only know from the Rocky movies.


You mean the Penguin?


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