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TimonK
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You're welcome, Jake.


- Timon.
"But overcome space, and all we have left is Here. Overcome time, and all we have left is Now. And in the middle of Here and Now, don't you think that we might see each other once or twice?"
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Perhaps, Tony, Adrian and Barry were insightful enough to realize you had great potential and give you the training you needed at the time. I have always found that good hypnotists are more than willing to help those who want to learn.

However, we're going to have to just agree to disagree. I contend that if people really want to learn, they'll find a way. If you really wanted to be a doctor and the nearest good school was in Spain, would you abandon your hopes and dreams because it would cost money? I don't think so. If you needed heart surgery and the best surgeon was in Italy, would you say, "I don't have enough money to go there so I'll just sit here and die?" Again, I don't think so. What you're saying is that if someone really wants to learn they can't find a way to get the money to go to a training. Sorry, but I just don't buy it.

On the other hand, I'm sure there are lots of good reasons someone can come up with for not going to a training: I'm too young, I can't get the money, people depend on me, I can't travel, It's too far, etc. I'm not saying those reasons aren't all absolutely valid. For many people they are.

What I am saying is that there's another word for "reasons." That other word is "excuses."

It comes down to a simple question: do you want to learn to be a great hypnotist quickly and effectively or not? If you do, you'll find a way to get training. If you don't...well, I'm sure you can come up with lots of valid reasons you can't get to a training.
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Hi Kraig. I turned up for my first triathlon with my brother's bike, and my father's sneakers. I got to the finish line, but for the next one I did some training. I guess we are all different; I like jumping into things half-prepared and not sure if it will work.

You may be right about reasons being excuses in disguise, but some of them are good excuses!

While I won't quite agree with you, I do respect your viewpoint, and the reasonable way in which you expressed it. All the best. Tony

PS - I don't think Adrian Knight saw talent. He saw a chancer who was going ahead one way or another. That's what I am seeing among some of the newer posters. One way or another they are going ahead. I'm just saying that the other way, while not ideal, might work out for them.

And if training does not seem to them to be an option, perhaps phoning a local hypnotist might be.
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I agree. Plus now days training are much, much more accessible, affordable and probably better than ever before. There are literally trainings nearly every weekend somewhere. There are associations that offer regular trainings and offer teaching certification to any of it's members resulting in more teachings and more trainings than ever before. Due to the influx trainings can also be more affordable too. Because of this there is really no excuse not to get proper training if someone is legit and serious. In reality, if someone is serious, you could get proper training probably within a couple of weeks from now (or the time of you decision) and be well on your way. Rather than taking weeks or months "playing around" on youtube, books and on your friends.

I remember when you used to have to wait many months or even a year for the training and more than likely travel across the country to attend a training event, or wait for the annual guild convention each year.

It all comes down to the level of interest, seriousness and their commitment. As I have long suspected, to many they just want to learn to do "some cool hypnosis tricks or effects" and are not serious enough to get some money together and attend a training event.
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Why bother with training? Just go for it. There are a ton of bad hypnotists around why not just join them? The way things are going training is worthless anyway. As the market becomes more saturated by wannabee hypnotists and monkeys willing to work for peanuts or free there really is no point in investing in a career because pretty soon there won't be one.

Just go for it monkey boys. You know it makes sense ask Tony.
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That does seem to be what they want to hear.
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MP, we need more bad hypnotists, because they make us look good. It's like why I hang out with fat people; it makes me look slim.

By the way, the only "training" available in Ireland when I began was a correspondence course that the guy wouldn't send you if you wanted to do stage stuff. I still don't see courses every weekend over here.
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Tony Im not having a go at you. But the truth is the more bad hypnotists around the less booking around. And the ones that are around the fees plumet.

You won't look good because you won't get the chance too it will simply **** up the market if it hasn't already. I know hypnotists even in the states that have stopped doing shows because of all the courses and newbies willing to do shows for next to nothing. One told me its screwed up the market.

I believe him because that's exactly what happened during the height of popularity over here.
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MP, joking aside, I know that the bad guys screw up the pitch for everyone. Barry Sinclair had a bad night about six years ago. The client phoned a radio talk show the following day, the story ran for two days, and business died in Ireland for a whole year. And Barry is not one of the bad ones.

I guess my point is that if we can't stop them (and we know we can't) we should try to steer them in the right direction. We don't really want more of Morgan Stebler's type of efforts passing off as hypnosis. We know several of them won't ever pay for live training, so we should coax them along until they lose interest or get good.

I have noticed that when you get a newbie to join a magic club, he generally stops charging peanuts and begins charging the proper fee. But if you exclude him because he is undercutting everyone, he will continue to spoil the market. I might be wrong, but that's my honest take on it.
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I agree about steering them in the right direction, but them you go and tell them that's it's all possible by only reading a book. That at best is a longshot and bad advice, especially to a very impressionable newbie. I also say if they're not willing to learn properly and be well trained, steer them towards ventriloquism where being a dummy is part of the act, and they can learn fast.
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LOL. MP talking about bad hypnotists reminds me of his 'impromptu' show posted to youtube. Did you ever get a licence for that show? If not, was it illegal and uninsured? Was it therefore more dangerous than an insured noob?

And anyway, if you can't take the competition, get out of the market. Stop whining about others and do something for yourself. Stop being such a lazy, self-important idiot and get some training; I hear there are marketing and business specialists that can show you how to sell yourself successfully.

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Yea it is a wonder why anyone would call you arrogant huh? LOL.

I have to say the idea that someone else has any real impact on an established act and what they can get for a show is silly to me. I have never lost a job to another performer, only to myself.
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Its quite simple Danny the bad acts stopped ALL the bookings not just mine. They didn't steal my gigs they stopped them all together for everybody not just me. The bad hypnotists played in pubs they would never be able to get proper gigs.They had an impact on the market. On the public perception of hypnotists. It was nothing to do with "stage hypnotists" it was to do with idiots who weren't trained properly working for peanuts and causing a ton of problems.

Not only that when every second pub in every town has a hypnotist why would you want to go see one? You would be sick at the thought last thing you would want to see was a hypnotist good or bad.

But that's nothing new it happens in many busineses. Its called lag time. Cash in at the start get out when the copy cats flock like seagulls after the breadcrumbs.

Perhaps you are in a protected bubble where you are. ( infact I know you are like you once said to me there are no openings its all sewn up ) But that was not the case over here. And is still not the case. As for being called arrogant I really don't care. Most on here will never get anywhere near the level of skill or understanding of hypnosis because they will never take the time or spend the money to learn. If that makes me arrogant great. It still doesn't change the fact it happens to be true. If you want to appease the idiots on here then I guess do what you think is right.

Mr Kid I was insured... I can tell you now you are more dangerous than at any time of my career.

But again you miss the point. You have more chance of being sued for negligence the biggest danger is to yourself. But go ahead have fun. Don't let me spoil it after all you have watched at least half of a video on street hypnosis. So of course why would you listen.

Most of the professional hypnotists really don't post here anymore even the ones selling products. It seems that its not even worth selling products on here anymore.
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OH I am in a bubble allright! I like it there I might add. A bubble of my very own creation, but a bubble no less.
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I have no doubt you worked really hard to create it and really deserve it. But it doesn't work the same everywhere else outside it.
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True.
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This is a heated discussion now...lol...I just wanted to report I had my first restaurant gig tonight and performed a lot of very successful hypnosis which was great. I think I'm moving on the right track slowly but surely, thanks for all the advice guys.
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Explain your "restaurant gig"? Was it a stage show in a restaurant/lounge or some type of street/strolling performance? All hypnosis or hypnosis with something else? Offer us details...
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Hey magician336!

Congrats, I'm happy that you did the gig and that you're satisfied with it!
I, too, would be interested in more details. Just out of curiosity (:

Best wishes,
Timon.
"But overcome space, and all we have left is Here. Overcome time, and all we have left is Now. And in the middle of Here and Now, don't you think that we might see each other once or twice?"
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Well I was brought there to do a strolling table hopping situation for them doing primarily magic, but I was doing hypnosis demonstrations in the center of the restaurant and even got somebody into hypnosis successfully by overloading their brain by using the James Brown thought stealer routine as a mentalism piece. The person in charge of running my city's down town events came in and took a few pictures of me hypnotizing poeple and we filmed a lot of what happened. I successfully hypnotized everyone I worked with that night and then moved a block down to an open mic night at a coffee shop and hypnotized someone then hypnostole their hat and did a mini hypnosis show with three participants that I had just met. All and all it was a really good night and I learned a lot from it and daring to push the limits on what I could do with hypnosis, it started a lot of talk in town!
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