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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEFjk1kfg......a_player

Posted: May 2, 2011 6:08pm
I am looking to have one of these made...I already contacted Bill Smith(who basically knows everything)..he said he has never seen it b4..so I thought I'd ask the Café b4 I took it to a diff. builder
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Bill could probably make the base a lot more deceptive. It's probably a multi-generation removed knockoff.
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I was thinking of having it done by Tim Clothier.

Posted: May 2, 2011 6:23pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MJ_qFxrKvc
yunke also performs this
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Well Bill Smith should have asked his source in Europe -this guy knows(almost)everything about illusions!
I've asked him and this illusion is called "Iron" and you find it in Tim Clothiers Advanced Illusion Projects book, page 115-132.
The rights to this illusion are included if you buy the book.
Tim Clothier is an excellent choice to have this build since he invented this illusion ;-)
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On 2011-05-02 18:23, WeiserSide1 wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MJ_qFxrKvc
yunke also performs this


This one is built better.
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On 2011-05-02 18:39, Stanyon wrote:
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On 2011-05-02 18:23, WeiserSide1 wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MJ_qFxrKvc
yunke also performs this


This one is built better.

And both are, presentation-wise, fairly similar and somewhat dull, in my opinion. Could use some dressing up, plotwise; a few ideas come to mind already, if someone would take the time to iron the wrinkles out...
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I have seen it on some FISM tape I have at home. Likely none of thse 2 are the originators, and they are als probably knocking-off the original. I might be wrong, though.
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So I just got off the phone with tim...he is the builder and he has the plans and rights for sale in his book...both of those illusions are not knock-offs...if they purchased the book
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I have to say that I've seen better illusions... and this one could do with FAR more plot and more interesting presentation...

if you're going to do an ironing illusion... neither of these routines do it justice in any way whatsoever... and in both cases.. the re-appearance makes no sense at all... and does a good amount to give the solution to the effect a boost.

The basis of the effect is a great idea... but as is the case with many illusionists who think that waving a cloth around is "presentation"... it could use some more thought.
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On 2011-05-02 20:44, makeupguy wrote:
The basis of the effect is a great idea... but as is the case with many illusionists who think that waving a cloth around is "presentation"... it could use some more thought.

Great points. Fun idea, weak execution. Why not just take the ironing premise and create a better method/effect?
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On 2011-05-02 19:57, Fábio DeRose wrote:
I have seen it on some FISM tape I have at home. Likely none of thse 2 are the originators, and they are als probably knocking-off the original. I might be wrong, though.

Why accusing someone of knocking-off without being sure? ... Iron was performed at FISM Beijing 2009 but was YUNKE
who performed this effect. http://youtu.be/WFpgsw6A6Vs (see 0:38)
Please, before accusing someone, make sure... just don't say "well, perhaps I'm wrong", the damage is already done.


Of course, this effect is not a creation from Yunke nor Kharbanda. There are many other magicians who perform.

As noted above, this effect is originally from Tim Clothier who published it in 2005. Tim in his book offers an entirely different method for vanishing the girl, but this main method is impractical for "every day stages". As a "bonus" Tim offers another basic design that makes it easyer to present in all conditions (although Clothier himself states that he prefers the first method opposite to the second normal "B").

Both performances shown here use the "B" method, but in justice it must be said that Yunke's prop is made ​​almost exactly according to design specifications from "B" Clothier's method, but Kharbanda's one is not so deceptive.
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What I want to know is where I can get an iron big enough to press a t-shirt with one swipe - like the first guy had. Think of the time you could save on laundry day!

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I must say this is a wonderful really different illusion. So much more interesting then the slice and dice type of illusions.

He should have included a full size flat cut-out picture of the girl after the ironing flat. It would have added a little humor to the illusion. All rights reserved for that idea.
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I also like the premise, but find most illusionists are talentless performers who do nothing more than show props built with some clever carpentry. Where are the performers who do illusions with some emotional, intellectual, or comedic content?
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This is a funny idea ...although a bit misogynistic. Funny when she re appeared her clothes still didn't look any better pressed!
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Concerning "He should have included a full size flat cut-out picture of the girl after the ironing flat. It would have added a little humor to the illusion" - this is exactly what Raphael does (a great comedy magician/illusionist from Belgium). He also has lot's of other gags and a great finale that makes sense. anyway, great minds think alike
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On 2011-05-03 19:00, JNeal wrote:
This is a funny idea ...although a bit misogynistic. Funny when she re appeared her clothes still didn't look any better pressed!
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lol.. once again proving the point that magic is seldom practical.
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I love Tim's stuff but I guess my issue here would be that the table and stand are SO thin that it draws more attention to the method.
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On 2011-05-03 19:29, tristanmagic wrote:
Concerning "He should have included a full size flat cut-out picture of the girl after the ironing flat. It would have added a little humor to the illusion" - this is exactly what Raphael does (a great comedy magician/illusionist from Belgium). He also has lot's of other gags and a great finale that makes sense. anyway, great minds think alike

Yes... but so do the feeble ones.

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Well... This indian illusionist is obviously copying presentation, ideas and movements from Yunke... And Chris, I think that you're right just on the indian example. The original Tim's design, the one that Yunke is using is so thin that I think it works perfectly for the lay audience.
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