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ASW Inner circle 1879 Posts |
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French, young lady? No, but I just bought a miniature poodle and I'm going to call her Trini.
Whenever I find myself gripping anything too tightly I just ask myself "How would Guy Hollingworth hold this?"
A magician on the Genii Forum "I would respect VIPs if they respect history." Hideo Kato |
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ASW Inner circle 1879 Posts |
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On 2011-05-14 15:49, bishthemagish wrote: Which is another way of saying that ethics and the history of magic are of no interest to bishthemagish.
Whenever I find myself gripping anything too tightly I just ask myself "How would Guy Hollingworth hold this?"
A magician on the Genii Forum "I would respect VIPs if they respect history." Hideo Kato |
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Stanyon Inner circle Landrum, S.C. by way of Chicago 3433 Posts |
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On 2011-05-15 00:03, ASW wrote: Tsk, tsk, tsk!
Stanyon
aka Steve Taylor "Every move a move!" "If you've enjoyed my performance half as much as I've enjoyed performing for you, then you've enjoyed it twice as much as me!" |
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Adam1975 Special user UK 900 Posts |
Well Marlo must be turning in his Graveyard Shift
Ive upped my standards.Now,up yours!
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RS1963 Inner circle 2734 Posts |
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On 2011-05-15 00:03, ASW wrote: Sadly that is the feelings of many magicians anymore. A good many of them should know better too such as Glenn but that's the way it is. Thankfully not all of us are that way. |
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bishthemagish Inner circle 6013 Posts |
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On 2011-05-14 15:49, bishthemagish wrote: Quote:
On 2011-05-15 00:03, ASW wrote: No it is not. I have a very "strong" interest in the history of magic - that is the "true" history of magic. I have no interest in gossip. And as far as "ethics" I don't hide behind a screen name and take pot shots at people for some silly agenda. Perhaps If we meet up someday young Andrew I will be happy to talk of the history of magic and the "ethics" of magicians on line and there trolling. Cheers!
Glenn Bishop Cardician
Producer of the DVD Punch Deal Pro Publisher of Glenn Bishop's Ace Cutting And Block Transfer Triumphs |
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ASW Inner circle 1879 Posts |
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On 2011-05-15 18:00, bishthemagish wrote: I only used a screen name on Genii because I had no other option, young man. You seemed to have been tolerated because you didn't threaten anyone.
Whenever I find myself gripping anything too tightly I just ask myself "How would Guy Hollingworth hold this?"
A magician on the Genii Forum "I would respect VIPs if they respect history." Hideo Kato |
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Opine Traveler Veteran user 342 Posts |
Is This Elevator Going Up or Down or Somersaulting - and Where is it Going to Stop?
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bishthemagish Inner circle 6013 Posts |
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On 2011-05-15 23:37, ASW wrote: And exactly what is it your trying to say about me andrew? And why would you post something like this? I don't see it as magicians helping magicians. Just my opinion. Quote:
On 2011-05-15 18:00, bishthemagish wrote: Quote:
On 2011-05-15 23:37, ASW wrote: Bull Spit in my opinion - lets talk about the history of the punch in magic as far as books and DVD's on the subject shall we? Lets see there was Phantom of the card table by Eddie - A good book but limited because it was done first as a manuscript. The Punch Letters by Ray Grismer. Another good book/manuscript. The Marlo In Spade Book by Ed Marlo - To me this is one of the best books on the punch because it has several very good ideas on how to adapt it to magic to use it for magic and poker deals. The Cardician DVD by Marlo - On this Marlo demos a poker deal using the punch and gives some tips on how to put the work in. On the video he demo's the deal to the punch deck pro Jack Pyle. The Punch Deck Pro DVD - 1. The first DVD "all about the punch" and it explains the Pyle bridge deal plus footage of Jack doing the bridge deal at a party - footage given by permission by Jack Pyles son (ethics) and introduces a new and different way to use the punch with the Molinari cull - (with permission of Jimmy Cards Molinari (ethics) for gambling magic and poker deals. The Punch Deck Pro DVD - 2. The second DVD - more of the same but different material and techniques. Including using the punch with the scissor bottom. Punch Deck Pro book - complies of the info that is on the 2 DVD's. How is that for some history Andrew? And we could go into some other history about how Ed Marlo did not sell some of his books to the "magic community" and the only way one could get a copy of some of his books was from Ed Marlo himself. I think that Ed Marlo was insulted by a lot of magicians of his day - they called the Marlo Spade book the "dream book" because many magicians of the day - or so the story goes said that the material in the book was not practical when Marlo used the material in his work. In my punch work I have had magicians insult me and the amount of shuffling I do - and I have had magicians say that my punch cull system is not practical - however like Marlo I use it in my own work - have for years - and still do. Do you see the difference in history and gossip? Just a few more thoughts and opinion.
Glenn Bishop Cardician
Producer of the DVD Punch Deal Pro Publisher of Glenn Bishop's Ace Cutting And Block Transfer Triumphs |
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ASW Inner circle 1879 Posts |
I'm not reading your repetitive stuff on the punch again. Talk about a non sequitur...
Try and stick to the topic FOR ONCE IN YOUR LIFE. You're like the human goldfish of magic.
Whenever I find myself gripping anything too tightly I just ask myself "How would Guy Hollingworth hold this?"
A magician on the Genii Forum "I would respect VIPs if they respect history." Hideo Kato |
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bishthemagish Inner circle 6013 Posts |
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On 2011-05-16 11:42, ASW wrote: Oh I get it - you don't want to talk about magic history. And your saying that I am off topic because I am talking about magic history and not gossip. Speaking of magic history Andrew - I have also been called a liar and a thief. And yet there has never been any solid evadance to back it up. Just as Marlo has been called a thief in this thread in my opinion. And as I have said above like Marlo - I have been insulted and my techniques have been called not practical by magicians that don’t or perhaps “never used them” even when both Marlo and myself “used” what we published on the punch. Don’t you like talking about magic history Andrew? It seems that all you enjoy doing is talking gossip and saying silly things - when I come up with a real point that you don’t want to comment on - you seem to like to say things like - I go off topic - or insult me like I am the human gold fish of magic. Perhaps - however I am not an egotistical young jerk. Just my opinion.
Glenn Bishop Cardician
Producer of the DVD Punch Deal Pro Publisher of Glenn Bishop's Ace Cutting And Block Transfer Triumphs |
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MagicT Inner circle New Orleans 1248 Posts |
Glen,
For what its worth, and I know I am not worth much, but I think what ASW is trying to say is that you seem to put yourself in these threads when trying to make a point. Also, in your previous post, you were comparing yourself to Mr. Marlo. Now, this thread started with the question about Marlo, NOT about anyone's experiences that are similar to what Marlo went through. I have not seen your work, so I cannot comment on it, however, to stay on topic, I feel that your work is irrelevent here. I am glad that you have work on the Punch, but how does that pertain to the initial topic? I am not trying to attack you, but giving you a different point of view on what someone else is trying to say. Please don't get mad at ASW because he is French. I think he just got aggravated because you took the topic elsewhere and not where it was intended to go, and sometimes getting aggravated is not always a bad thing. Plus, ASW seems like a nice person. Anyway, I am now interested in your work Glen, if you care to share with me. So where did the elevator go? I don't understand. Thanks, Trini
Trini Montes
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bishthemagish Inner circle 6013 Posts |
MagicT
Your question if I am not mistaken was - Is Marlo a Thief? My answer although it may be a cryptic one is - Marlo was "called" a Thief. So in my opinion - there is a lot of gossip - story - but no real history. If Marlo pinched a routine or even an idea and did not give credit - I think that would be - between the people that were involved at the time and although there might be “story” as told by others and in book form - it is still story - I would have loved to hear Marlo’s side of it. I was also "called" a thief and there has been no evidence at all to back it up. I have also been called a liar, a troll and many other things over the years. In magic there seems to be a lot of jealous and envious people that seem to not like it when someone else has some success. As for me being called a liar and a thief - well it is all gossip - in my opinion done by magicians that are both jealous and envious. And like I said above about Marlo's work and the Spade book - magicians called it the dream book and said the material was not practical. Yet Marlo used the material and there have been several printings of the Spade book - and in my opinion it is must read if a magician is into the punch. As for my stuff - I use it and will continue to use it no matter what others say about the shuffling. However the publishing has stopped after I sold out on my mailing list - and I see no need to publish again in the near and distant future because I see little profit and a lot of aggravation. Just a few more thoughts and opinion.
Glenn Bishop Cardician
Producer of the DVD Punch Deal Pro Publisher of Glenn Bishop's Ace Cutting And Block Transfer Triumphs |
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iamslow Inner circle Proffessional Slacker 2001 Posts |
The "Café IDIOT" ruins another thread by talking about his stuff that no one wants to hear about...
"Everyone has a plan till they get punched in the face" Mike Tyson
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bishthemagish Inner circle 6013 Posts |
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On 2011-05-16 16:27, iamslow wrote: Are you calling me an Idiot Jon? Not only is it off topic - I can add it to the list of silly name calling - and thanks for speaking for every Café member and proving my point about name calling and gossip from jealous and envious magicians. Just a few more thoughts and opinion.
Glenn Bishop Cardician
Producer of the DVD Punch Deal Pro Publisher of Glenn Bishop's Ace Cutting And Block Transfer Triumphs |
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R.E. Byrnes Inner circle 1206 Posts |
Putting quotation marks around "called," making vague reference to your own experience, and dismissing as "gossip" contentions that people have put more than idle speculation to throughout the thread isn't particularly persuasive. Nor does it follow that being called an idiot grows only out of jealousy. Sometimes people are just idiots.
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BarryFernelius Inner circle Still learning, even though I've made 2537 Posts |
I've been emitting groans as a magician after reading this thread...
"To achieve great things, two things are needed: a plan and not quite enough time."
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molsen Special user Copenhagen 552 Posts |
LOL!
At first I thought my laptop was about to break down on me, but then I realized the high pitched whining noice was coming from this thread Yes, some people have suggested that Marlo has stolen/purloined/forgotten to credit etc. This has been done mostly in writing, so reading is probably the best way to learn more. I believe many of the relevant references have been mentioned in this thread already, I have nothing to add. I also believe I understand why so many have thrown a reference without elaborating much. In a thread like this, one could very easily be read as agreeing to whichever opinion one would point to in literature. The thread could thus quickly deteriorate into bickering... Thankfully that didn't happen! (for those who are sarcasm impaired, this contribution is meant to be tongue in cheek) Michael |
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MagicT Inner circle New Orleans 1248 Posts |
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On 2011-05-16 16:05, bishthemagish wrote: Glen, This is what I am talking about. You are quoted above talking about yourself and your experience. This does not do ANYTHING for this thread. The thread is about Marlo being called a thief, and therefore, your personal experience should not be included. I know if I said somehing like, "I was called a thief and liar when I was at the grocey store and took a grape from the produce section, but this was all just jealousy because the man that worked at the store gave me a grape and the others did not get a grape." This has nothing to do with the initial topic. See my point? PS you don't have any more copies of your dvd's? Thank You, Trini
Trini Montes
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Opine Traveler Veteran user 342 Posts |
Glenn's post above contains four substantive paragraphs, three of which are actually about Glenn.
It isn't the best use of energy to apply names to people, but it's sometimes worthwhile to look at the verifiable history of things: Consistently, when a topic exists on Triumph or when someone mentions Triumph in passing, Glenn takes the opportunity to extoll on his technique to cull cards during the push-through shuffle. Consistently, when a topic exists on dealing or false dealing, or when someone mentions same in passing, Glenn takes the opportunity to mention his technique on the punch deal. Consistently, when a topic exists on the bottom deal, or when someone mentions the bottom deal in passing, Glenn takes the opportunity to talk about what he calls the scissor bottom deal. More than any of the above, whenever a thread exists in which a magician is being criticized, Glenn takes the opportunity to point out that he himself has frequently been criticized. Why? For his technique to cull cards during a push-through shuffle, his technique on the punch deal, and for what he calls the scissor bottom deal, among other things. In nearly every instance, the conversation is derailed, sometimes for a brief time, sometimes irreparably, while people end up discussing why Glenn should refrain from speaking as Glenn all the while continues to promote himself and his products and ideas that no one wants and that he refuses to sell them. Every dialogue is an opportunity for Glenn to talk about Glenn, and if people intimate that they're not interested in hearing about Glenn, he responds that they're simply not intelligent enough to appreciate him. Glenn has never appreciated the old advice that if three people call you a horse, buy a saddle. So, that's the lackluster modus operandi, the formula that reeks of formula, the one-page playbook. It won't end. It never does. If it's all someone knows, it's all someone knows. Unfortunately. For us. |
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