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Sean Macfarlane
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Hi guys, how do you go about asking for commisions for jobs you find for other magicians. Do you just ask them straight out?

Do you have a set percentage? What is the going rate? I think that 15% is fair.

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I don't. I have a few magicians I hand work off to if I am booked or if the gig is not what I do (bars etc) and they trade off to me.
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Same for me. But if I were going to add a percentage I would just say so right up front.
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I would add on a percentage but I would not ask for a commission. And then only if I handle the booking through my agency (www.funnybones.com.)
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I pass a lot of bookings along to friends in the local magic club and have never asked for a commission. The amount of money is too small to justify it, and besides, it turns a friendship into a business relationship. My magic friends pay me back in many other ways, like help on a trick, or letting me borrow a piece of equipment, etc.
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There are three ways other performers earn commission off my show.

1) They book the show, I pick up the payment, and I send them a percentage.

2) They book the show, the clients send them a deposit which they keep, and I collect the balance after the show.

3) They book the show, they collect the money, and they send me my fee.

The last one is suspicious because I find that the client paid so much more than I receive.

The main thing is that they book the show. If the only thing they do is give my number, I don't send a commission. This is because I still have to do the work of selling my show, doing the phone calls, and handling the paperwork.
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As an agent, I do the third one all the time as it is easy for the client to deal with one person instead of paying balances left, right and centre. As a performer I don't mind when other agents do this as long as I get MY fee. What they charge as an agent is up to them. If they justify the added expense to the client then power to them.

E.g. If I get $1000 and the agent gets an extra $100 it is the same to me if the agent gets $200...$300...$400 or whatever. If an agent can charge an obscene amount then the performer isn't charging enough.
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Jim,
Where are you going to magic club meetings with other performers? I only run into crazy uncles and grandpas who want to pull quarters out of my ear (since I'm about the age of their grandkids) or show me their not so latest 4 ace assembly. I would love to find a club where magicians talk business.
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<<<I would love to find a club where magicians talk business>>>


Wouldn't we all.
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In the state of Illinois, agents must be lisenced and bonded. Probably other states have similar requirements. This doesn't usually stop people from taking the occasional percentage from booking a show, but it is something that probably ought to be considered. My guess is that most performers who make the step toward agency haven't spent much time researching the relevant laws.

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My IBM ring has lots of professionals. Very good ones too (Syosset, NY).
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Edd,
When I first joined my local SAM Assembly, there were not many performers of "professional calibre." Over the years, however, a few of the performers have improved to the level of offering a show worthy of receiving a decent fee.

I send shows to these performers, but I only send shows I know they can handle competently, and where they will reflect well upon my recommendation. I'm happy to help them continue growing professionally since they present magic in a light that reflects positively upon all of us.
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You have to have a license to be an agent in New Jersey also, but kickbacks are standard practice.
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I take referals to other professionals very seriously.

So far I have not asked for $$ in return.

I have paid them to those that have asked.

Always I send at least a card, email or phone call back to those that refer something to me.

I agree with the post above about being very careful on who I refer to a program that I cannot do myself.

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I know this is in particular about commissions from helping another performer out.

However consider this...

One agency in Albuquerque charges an additional 75% comission ON TOP of the performers said fee.

I don't even think VEGAS charges that kind of comission.

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Robert,
That is illegal in Illinois.
Salazar Magic
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That's illegal in most states.

In New Jersey, an agent usually receives between 10 and 15 percent of the artist's gross earnings earned from engagements and other employment secured by the agent.

I believe it's illegal to take more than 18%.

If you're getting paid by #3 in my post above, then the agent is acting like a "planner" in which the client is charged a fee, then the planner is responsible for hiring the entertainment (or decorations, caterer, etc.). This way they can charge as much as they want and pay you as little as you would agree to.

P.S.

Under New York law, agents can only charge performing artists a maximum of ten percent commission for securing engagements.
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It was probably a year ago I met with this agent. When she told me I couldn't believe my ears.

So I basically told her don't call me, I'll call you.

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Does she do much business?
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Salazaer,

I tend to doubt it. I don't know where she got the figure. I'm guessing she is just out to lunch.

Robert Bloor
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