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I did some searching but could not find any posts dedicated purely to routines that use chop/regular combination cups (either 2-cup or 3-cup routines). I am only aware of a few routines: 'The Fruit Cups' by The Flicking Fingers, The Mendoza Routine, and Ricky Jay's routine (unpublished). The Mendoza routine leaves little to be desired, it is excellent but are there any others worth studying? Thanks.
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As a study for the technical working of a combo set, I feel like Mendoza's routine is a great resource. I don't perform it, because it's his and doesn't fit my performance. Honestly, the key is to study all the pieces you listed, learn the reasoning and theory behind the routine, then the technical manipulations, and develop what works for you, make "your" routine. It seems like too often we get caught up in the study and not the application. Like a church goer who only listens to the pastor but never develops his own beliefs and faith. It's all based on that persons personal interaction and study (no matter what it is) and since we are all different, it will be rare to find that perfect study for you. Take parts, mix-n-match, and see what works for you from what you already have to learn from.

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The golden goblets by Camirand Academy of Magic are is a combo cup routine.
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The Camirand Academy of Magic released the Golden Goblets as cups to accompany the routine, the routine is named the Two Goblets by Gary Ouellet. You can learn a lot regarding misdirection from the booklet on this routine. I'm pretty sure it is available to purchase.
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Yes, it still is. Camirand still lists them.

If you have trouble finding it, drop an e-mail to Guy Camirand.
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Learn from both the Mendoza and Ouellet routines; then do your own and make it your own.
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I know that Dominique Duvivier's routine uses a combo set; if I'm not mistaken, I believe that Charlie Frye also does a routine with a combo set. Seems to me that there are some others...I'll see if I can't jog my memory and remember who they were.

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The cups are one of those tricks I find difficult to perform without first making it your own. I'll have to check out the Ouellet routine, thanks.
Just curious, why don't you think more people use a combination set? It seems to me like such a deadly combination that only requires a little extra routining to sort out.
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I saw Dominique Duvivier perform a routine with his daughter at a lecture here in Toronto maybe 10 years ago. They took turns sitting down at the cups, trying to outdo each other. The final loads were four large balls and a fourth cup! It flew by everyone in the room. Is his routine in print (in English) anywhere?
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It's in his book, and also on a couple of his DVD sets.
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On 2011-05-15 16:53, scott0819 wrote:
The cups are one of those tricks I find difficult to perform without first making it your own. I'll have to check out the Ouellet routine, thanks.
Just curious, why don't you think more people use a combination set? It seems to me like such a deadly combination that only requires a little extra routining to sort out.


Depends on what one wants to do with it. I use a combo set for a routine, but only use the chop feature twice in the routine. Not needed any more than that for me.

However, when I was given the gift of a life-time from my wife (Sherwood Engraved cups), I have figured how to do the moves without the need of a chop feature. Out of necessity.

Kent Gunn's routine is worth checking out, as he has some very original thinking around these areas.

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The Two Goblet manuscript is an excellent two cup (including a chop cup) routine and the manuscript teaches this routine very well. The routine is also taught on Gary Ouellet's three volume DVD set.

I believe that the Two Goblets combo cups from Camirand Academy of Magic were originally released as a two goblet set (one chopped the other not). Later, a limited edition (?) set of the Goblets was released as a three goblet set (one chopped and the two others not). The three goblet set I have comes in a nice little storage case (with handle) and includes the three goblets, the small balls and three big load balls for the climax.

(Bill Palmer would know far better than I about the Camirand goblet sets and how they were configured and sold.)

Regardless, the Two Goblets routine is a nice routine and well worth reading and analyzing so that, if desired, you can incorporate modular blocks of it into your own designed routine.

Just, IMHO; your mileage may vary...and probably does. (grin)

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That's what I did Turk. My routine borrows heavily from the Two Goblets routine, there are some really wonderful moments that Gary Ouellet included in the there. It's my favorite combo routine.
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Nobody going to mention Scott F Guinn's two cup routine? A very commercial version, with a nod to the Two Goblets, that works well with either standard or mini cups. I,m not sure if Scott's manuscripts are still available, but he is still a moderator here so you should be able to PM him.
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Scott's routine is heavily based on Ouellet's and is available as a download at Lybrary.com, along with quite a bit of Scott's other materials.

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On 2011-05-15 17:07, scott0819 wrote:
I saw Dominique Duvivier perform a routine with his daughter at a lecture here in Toronto maybe 10 years ago. They took turns sitting down at the cups, trying to outdo each other. The final loads were four large balls and a fourth cup! It flew by everyone in the room. Is his routine in print (in English) anywhere?



Are you asking specifically if the routine he did with his daughter is in print?

If so, I don't think it is.

You can find the solo version in the Kaufman and Greenberg publication, written by Jon Racherbaumer, Magie Duvivier, pgs. 138-148.

There is also a somewhat different version in a 1987 manuscript written by Duvivier, the cups.
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Hi guys!

Here are two reasons to take the time to learn the combo set:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEYmGnK4K9g

and

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t__UnSXmjvc&feature=related

Kent has obviously mastered what it takes to do these routines. But, as far as I know, they are his own. This has inspired me to get a combo set, but a far less collectible set than that Sherwood Engraved Set Kent is using! Ha!

Notice Kent does not rush through it. Slowly and deliberately each move is made (or not). Ya don't have to do Paul Daniels style to blow people away with this! Kent still fools me on both of these. I hope you get the same wonder I get from watching 'em!

Doug
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John, Doug,

Thanks kids! I've gotten a lot of mileage out of that routine. Thanks for the extra gas!

Kent
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The book "Two Goblets" by Gary Ouellet is still available at TrickSupply.com for $12.50.
Looking forward to its delivery!
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