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Woland![]() Special user 680 Posts ![]() |
Those who no longer wish to be confused by the facts can stop reading now.
David Alexander, an Australian climate c......e facts: Quote:
I am a scientist who was on the carbon gravy train, understands the evidence, was once an alarmist, but am now a skeptic. Watching this issue unfold has been amusing but, lately, worrying. This issue is tearing society apart, making fools out of our politicians. In a nutshell: Quote:
This is the core idea of every official climate model: For each bit of warming due to carbon dioxide, they claim it ends up causing three bits of warming due to the extra moist air. The climate models amplify the carbon dioxide warming by a factor of three — so two-thirds of their projected warming is due to extra moist air (and other factors); only one-third is due to extra carbon dioxide. Woland |
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balducci![]() Loyal user Canada 230 Posts ![]() |
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On 2011-05-17 18:40, Woland wrote: His name, according to the article anyway, is David EVANS not ALEXANDER. So ... "Who is 'Rocket Scientist' David Evans?" http://www.desmogblog.com/who-is-rocket-......id-evans
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Woland![]() Special user 680 Posts ![]() |
Thanks for correcting my slip of the typewriter, balducci.
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Andrew Zuber![]() Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 2653 Posts ![]() |
Okay, so how are we supposed to react to this? Keep buying Hummers? Stand on our roof tops with cans of hair spray? Can we stop worrying about the environment now or something? Anyone who was ever flown in Los Angeles, as I have done hundreds of times, will tell you that air quality is a major health issue. When I read stuff like this and the author starts going on about the politics of the issue, it's hard not to imagine that he has an agenda that isn't purely scientific.
"I'm sorry - if you were right, I would agree with you." -Robin Williams, Awakenings
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Payne![]() Inner circle Seattle 4572 Posts ![]() |
Without evidence and peer reviewed articles to back up his claims Mr. Evans opinions are just that. Opinions. One is free to their own beliefs but not their own facts. If he feels that the science is somehow wrong he needs to supply facts and figures in support of his hypothesis. Not just opinion or belief.
Odd a "Rocket Scientist" wouldn't already know this. You can find any number of Climate Denialist making simular claims. Odd though that none of them seem to have any viable evidence to support these beliefs.
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LobowolfXXX![]() Inner circle La Famiglia 1191 Posts ![]() |
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On 2011-05-17 19:13, Andrew Zuber wrote: Anyone who's lived in Los Angeles for any length of time will tell you that air quality is vastly better now than it was in decades past.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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Woland![]() Special user 680 Posts ![]() |
And whatever happened to those London "pea soup" fogs that we see in the old movies?
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Jonathan Townsend![]() Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27123 Posts ![]() |
Step back and look at the effect. The net effect.
Then look at the method. Breathtaking IMHO.
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gdw![]() Inner circle 4816 Posts ![]() |
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On 2011-05-17 21:07, Jonathan Townsend wrote: Everyone knows method doesn't matter.
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one." I won't forget you Robert. |
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Jonathan Townsend![]() Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27123 Posts ![]() |
It's righteous, illiterate, Luddite, self loathing and ... both green and sustainable.
Welcome back to the early middle ages.
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Magnus Eisengrim![]() Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1064 Posts ![]() |
Do you support this Evans guy, Woland?
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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Jonathan Townsend![]() Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27123 Posts ![]() |
But this time with high tech so the neighbor's kids can keep a watch for regressive use of technology and resources.
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gdw![]() Inner circle 4816 Posts ![]() |
I'm still quite skeptical about global warming/climate change/whatever it will be called in a few years, but found it to be really irrelevant to whether we should be "cleaning up." There are plenty of other reasons to, including our health, as well as plenty of economical reasons.
Even more when your doing things that ACTUALLY help rather than all the crap that's being pushed by people too quick to jump on things that aren't really better, or even worse, which then get pushed on the govt, and become regulation, and we all have ugly harsh lights filled with poison. Or we get everyone jumping on being against something like nuclear, leading to more coal, which means actually MORE people dying. Hell, wind power seems to have lead to more deaths than nuclear. http://www.treehugger.com/files/2009/02/......rous.php http://nextbigfuture.com/2011/03/deaths-......html?m=1
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one." I won't forget you Robert. |
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Jonathan Townsend![]() Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27123 Posts ![]() |
That was the reason Crichton wrote State of Fear.
Anyway, folks are more about bandwagons, being right and ... sustainable so who cares about that silly book?
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landmark![]() Inner circle within a triangle 5018 Posts ![]() |
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On 2011-05-17 19:35, LobowolfXXX wrote: You think that was just the natural course of events, or because of human action curbing car and other emissions?
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LobowolfXXX![]() Inner circle La Famiglia 1191 Posts ![]() |
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On 2011-05-18 00:03, landmark wrote: Was this rhetorical?
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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Andrew Zuber![]() Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 2653 Posts ![]() |
It may be better than it was in L.A. but it's still an ugly sight to see and I don't think it's the marine layer from the Pacific Ocean that's causing it.
Apparently, not everyone is in agreement with this Evans guy, seeing as how the UK has pledged to halve CO2 emissions by 2025: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/na......nge.html
"I'm sorry - if you were right, I would agree with you." -Robin Williams, Awakenings
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Woland![]() Special user 680 Posts ![]() |
Magnus,
I'm not sure that the absence of hot spots is as telling as Richard Evans thinks it is, but I do agree that the political agenda of the AGW enthusiasts is based on predictions of disasters that are unsupported by reliable data. Moreover, I think we are entering a period of climate cooling in the Northern Hemisphere that is less desirable than climate warming. Woland |
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Magnus Eisengrim![]() Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1064 Posts ![]() |
So what you are saying is that you like Evans's politics, so his false credentials and lack of evidence aren't so problematic? Really?
John
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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Woland![]() Special user 680 Posts ![]() |
No. What I am saying is that whether the "world climate" is significantly affected by industrial CO2 production is unproven; whether the "world climate" is changing to an extent not encompassed by its normal variability is unproven; whether there would be significant results from the drastic measures proposed to ameliorate a problem that may or may not exist is unproven; and that there is actually quite a bit of evidence to support the contention that (1) the "world climate" is not getting warmer; (2) even if it was getting warmer, the degree of warming is within normal limits of variability; (3) industrial CO2 has nothing to do with any significant global climate effects; (4) the AGW "community" is full of frauds and hucksters.
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