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If magic was outlawed, only outlaws would do magic.
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If magic were illegal, I'd suddenly be a BAMF.

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On 2011-05-21 08:37, Woland wrote:
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I'm trying to get out, how important is this art to us, that's all.

Sorry, I thought I saw another motive. My bad.
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On 2011-05-21 07:24, Woland wrote:
What if the New England Journal of Medicine published a study showing that performing magic was unhealthy?


I don't even pay attention to my blood sugar, why would I worry about magic?
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On 2011-05-21 10:52, Beano wrote:
If magic was outlawed, only outlaws would do magic.


I bought enough stuff from Outlaw Effects, does that qualify me?
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That's one great company. Roth is The Man.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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On 2011-05-21 11:08, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
If magic were illegal, I'd suddenly be a BAMF.

John


You're a "bamf?"

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On 2011-05-21 14:14, LobowolfXXX wrote:
That's one great company. Roth is The Man.


He is at that. I think I have built an addition to his house.

And I did not know we play in the same sand box.
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Well, landmark, I was thinking of two things. One, a remark by a martial arts teacher, who told me that his practice was so ingrained, so much a part of him, that he would not stop doing it for any reason, and second, the description of the painter's work ethic in Maurice Merleau-Ponty's essay, "Cezanne's Doubt:"

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It took him one hundred working sessions for a still life, one hundred- fifty sittings for a portrait. What we call his work was, for him, an attempt, an approach to painting. In September of 1906, at the age sixty-seven—one month before his death—he wrote: "I was in such a state of mental agitation, in such great confusion that for a time I feared my weak reason would not survive.... Now it seems I am better that I see more clearly the direction my studies are taking. Will I arrive at the goal, so intensely sought and so long pursued? I am working from nature, and it seems to me I am making slow progress”. Painting was his world and his mode of existence. He worked alone without students, without admiration from his family, without encouragement from the critics. He painted on the afternoon of the day his mother died. In 1870 he was painting at l'Estaque while the police were after him for dodging the draft. And still he had moments of doubt about this vocation. As he grew old, he wondered whether the novelty of his painting might not come from trouble with his eyes, whether his whole life had not been based upon an accident of his body. The hesitation or muddle-headedness of his contemporaries equaled this strain and doubt. "The painting of a drunken privy cleaner," said a critic in 1905. Even today, C. Mauclair finds Cezanne's admissions of powerlessness an argument against him. Meanwhile, Cezanne's paintings have spread throughout the world. Why so much uncertainty, so much labor. so many failures, and, suddenly, the greatest success?


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I'm an escapologist--are they going to lock me up?
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On 2011-05-21 14:44, ed rhodes wrote:
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On 2011-05-21 11:08, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
If magic were illegal, I'd suddenly be a BAMF.

John


You're a "bamf?"

:rotf" Wrong bamf.

Of course, to most people, I'm merely and damf. Smile

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Nice thread Woland!

History is a great teacher to whom very few listen. History has taught us that if something is made illegal, the illegality of a thing will not alter what people do. History also teaches that if you want to make something dangerous - such as a book - then ban it. Totalitarian regimes never understood this lesson. If you find an idea dangerous to your philosophy then put that idea out there for all to read! Maybe the bible belt censors would learn this. I doubt it however since it seems they ban history books Smile

Ahimsa,
Vlad

PS: I was thinking how interesting it was that nobody seemed to catch Tommy's WONDERFUL indictment of the euphemism for torture known as waterboarding. I can well imagine though taking a cue from miltary personnel and stating while being waterboarded, "Vlad, serial number 2000+ posts, pick a CARDDDD!!"
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On 2011-05-22 10:40, Vlad_77 wrote:
History has taught us that if something is made illegal, the illegality of a thing will not alter what people do.


Making something illegal does not prevent "everyone" from doing it; however, it does prevent many "anyones" from doing it. Legal proscription absolutely does impact (reduce) behavior.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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On 2011-05-20 21:26, Woland wrote:
If your government decided to make magic illegal, would you still study it? Teach it? Discuss it? Perform it?


One perspective on the matter might be to find a useful parallel. Consider the local sodomy laws and religious proscriptions on dietary matters and a comparison to behavior of people in society - and beyond a cultural abdication of responsibility for actions/effect (which is fundamental to magic proper) perhaps that parallel would serve as useful example and prediction.
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Vlad, the forbidden fruit model has its uses. It puts social boundaries on public discourse and behaviors.
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I live in the home of the free, and the land of the brave, where all men are endowed by their creator with the unalienable rights of life, liberty, and the persuit of happyness.

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Al, so are you saying that you'd take up arms against the government?
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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"...pursuit of happiness...whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government..."
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

"...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us."
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On 2011-05-22 11:50, Al Angello wrote:
Woland
I live in the home of the free, and the land of the brave, where all men are endowed by their creator with the unalienable rights of life, liberty, and the persuit of happyness.

Surely you've heard, it was in all the papers.


Where do you find things that are free, braves and people who run rather than drive?
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