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Woland
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When I posted the question, I wasn't trying to get at a possible conflict between magicians and the government, although that is an interesting subject and I am enjoying the discussion. Another example of what I was trying to get at is this anecdote regarding the composer John Cage. Not quite the way I remember reading it in one of his books, but that was 40 years ago, and this may be a better version:

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"I certainly had no feeling for harmony, and Schoenberg thought that that would make it impossible for me to write music. He said, 'You'll come to a wall you won't be able to get through.' So I said, 'I'll beat my head against that wall.' " --John Cage


Would you devote your life to bearing your head against a wall that blocked your progress in this art?

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I have been put in the position of beating my head against the wall, and getting no where, so I divorced the b**ch. I took guitar lessons for years until I realized that there were far more gifted musicians than me starving, so I turned to juggling, comedy, and magic, because there was an honest buck to be made there.
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On 2011-05-22 10:40, Vlad_77 wrote:
Nice thread Woland!

History is a great teacher to whom very few listen. History has taught us that if something is made illegal, the illegality of a thing will not alter what people do. History also teaches that if you want to make something dangerous - such as a book - then ban it. Totalitarian regimes never understood this lesson. If you find an idea dangerous to your philosophy then put that idea out there for all to read! Maybe the bible belt censors would learn this. I doubt it however since it seems they ban history books Smile

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PS: I was thinking how interesting it was that nobody seemed to catch Tommy's WONDERFUL indictment of the euphemism for torture known as waterboarding. I can well imagine though taking a cue from miltary personnel and stating while being waterboarded, "Vlad, serial number 2000+ posts, pick a CARDDDD!!"


I read in a history book that crime went way down under Vlad "The Impaler" and his enhanced enforcement procedures. Smile
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Yes Vlad show us your teeth so we can tell if you are the real Dracula.
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On 2011-05-22 11:43, Jonathan Townsend wrote:
Vlad, the forbidden fruit model has its uses. It puts social boundaries on public discourse and behaviors.

It's been observed that the arts often are most interesting under oppressive regimes. Nice book by Gordon Rogoff about the theatre through the ages in this regard; I forget the name, maybe someone knows it.
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Should be some good stuff about today then.
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One could posit the boundaries of efficient socially acceptable discourse as a map of the society.
IE what ideas does the language easily describe and which take large constructs, what biological/social function are associated with what sort of affect in the language? That sort of map.

As an example our society, notice the vagaries of "to know" - which does not easily distinguish between remembered personal experience, book learning, belief, inference and imagined/whim/presupposition.
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Jonathan,

Interesting observation. Makes me think of the difference between connaitre and savoir. But there are however a series of verbs that might be added . . . I ken, I reckon, I imagine, I suppose, etc . . .

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On 2011-05-21 02:31, Andrew Musgrave wrote:
I'd go full jester. Paperballs over the head, sucker tricks, scams and such, and I'd go overboard with anti-establishment satire.


I assume gambling would have to be illegal as well. If not, just do gambling routines... and the old fashion 3 Card Monte.
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On 2011-05-20 21:26, Woland wrote:
If your government decided to make magic illegal, would you still study it? Teach it? Discuss it? Perform it?

You mean bring back the Inquisition? Smile
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Woland
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Not exactly, George, but there are countries today where mentalists have been sentenced to death for sorcery.
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Whatever happened to that guy?
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I'll have to look it up. There was some question in my mind whether he was actually in custody or had been sentenced in absentia.
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