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I knew a warder who became acquainted with Mr. Carter at Rahway.
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I was thinking of Tony Ayala. A 154 lb Mike Tyson is the perfect description of his style. I saw him fight probibly twice before he went to jail.

Indestructable fighters are very exciting. When I think of young Eugene "cyclone" Heart, or young Aaron Prior, or John "the beast" Mugabi I get chills.

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Rubin Carter is a gentlemen, but I don't think your warden friend made friends with Tony Ayala.
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Al, I'm assuming those fights you saw were before Mr. Ayala's first prison term. From the news accounts and his biography on the intarweb, he does seem like a tough customer.

The warder I knew didn't speak very highly of Mr. Carter, either.

I wonder how many other pugilists have been guests at Rahway?
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Cyclone Hart's son might be on the 2012 Olympic team. He's a very promising amateur middleweight.
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On 2011-05-21 17:36, Woland wrote:
Al, I'm assuming those fights you saw were before Mr. Ayala's first prison term. From the news accounts and his biography on the intarweb, he does seem like a tough customer.

The warder I knew didn't speak very highly of Mr. Carter, either.

I wonder how many other pugilists have been guests at Rahway?


One was James Scott, a top 175-pounder of the late 70s and early 80s. Scott was allowed to continue his career while incarcerated, and beat many of the best light-heavyweights of the era inside the prison, including Eddie Mustafa Muhammad, Jerry Celestine, Richie Kates, and Yaqui Lopez.

Mustafa Muhammad was the #1 WBA contender for the world title when Scott beat him.
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I'll keep my eye out. His father must be my age.
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Dwight Muhammad Qawi (formerly Dwight Braxton), another 175-pound world champion, also enjoyed the Rahway hospitality.
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I believe his brother Tony Braxton had problems with the law also.

Dwight Braxton was once managed by Steve Traits at the Montgomery County Boys Club, and I used to go over to the gym to watch him spar.

Steve Traits went to jail for trying to bribe a judge in a roofers union scaldal.
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On 2011-05-21 11:55, LobowolfXXX wrote:
Anyone see the movie "Ali" with Will Smith? Man, the guy they had playing Foreman was great. He scared me, and I was sitting in the back.


Charles Shufford. And James Toney played Smokin' Joe Frazier.
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Bad Chad Dawson wins a comfortable unanimous decision in the main undercard bout, and we're moments away from showtime - Hopkins v. Pascal II.
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Good fight going on...free on HBO. First round tentative on both sides, second had more action. Third was a good round for Hopkins, fourth was a good round for Pascal and saw Hopkins clearly hurt, but it was late in the round, not much time to follow up. Should be a slim points lead for Pascal through 4 of 12 rounds.
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Good 6th for Hopkins...Pascal seems to be losing his cool...Hopkins getting in his head. Ref is getting fed up with both of them; awkward clinches and punching on the break. Could be headed for another controversial decision, no matter how it turns out.
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2/3 of the way through...Hopkins might be on his way to pulling off the upset here. He's doing better as the fight goes on, and seems to be fighting a strategically perfect fight. Pascal faster and hits harder, but it might not be enough. The last 4 rounds should tell, but Hopkins has pretty clearly won the 7th & 8th.
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11 down, 1 to go...I think Pascal needs a last-round knockout... Bernard Hopkins may be on the verge of being the oldest world champion in boxing history.
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Pascal had him hurt about 1/2-way through the 12th and didn't follow up...Hopkins was definitely unsteady...it's going to the scorecards.
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Hopkins by unanimous decision!
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I don't know anything about boxing, either the "sweet science" of it or the history. I do know that one of our great American writers, Joyce Carol Oates, became fascinated by the sport and learned all she could about it. I've never been into sports period, but I feel that there is something profound about boxing,the whole world of horse-racing, and baseball. Like something mystical and metaphorical.
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Oates's "On Boxing" is recommended reading.
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On 2011-05-23 01:28, LobowolfXXX wrote:
Oates's "On Boxing" is recommended reading.


Absolutely! It's excellent.
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