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Anthony Jacquin Inner circle UK 2220 Posts |
Yeah much appreciated Steve. Glad to hear it is turning your lows into highs at the first few roll outs.
Anthony
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bobser Inner circle 4183 Posts |
I didn't actually understand what Steve wrote. Was it me? Maybe if someone (anyone at all) else understood it they might explain it to me?
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quicknotist Special user 888 Posts |
He thought it was expensive for what it was, didn't think it was anything new, didn't think it was going to work.
But it did. That's how I read it. Reg Quote:
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docsteve Inner circle 1831 Posts |
I really do not appreciate people speaking for me; if I was not clear, then I apologise, and like Bobser, you may ask me for clarification.
I write the review after a long day and a cold beer; if I may be more concise: The first half of the CD disappointed me - stuff I already knew. The main thesis is a new technique, as far as I can tell, although I would argue it is a clever extension of one of Ericksson's throwaway comments. In fact, I found the technique useful the first time I tried it with a subject not picked by a test to see if she'd be a good subject. The challenge now is to employ this to individuals scoring low on the Stanford scale and see if they can improve without having to undergo a 3 hour training session! And finally, the price did bother me; I felt it was only the last 20 mins of the disc that had any relevance to me, but as I say, what price for a new idea? I am going to experiment with this technique, mainly in therapy, and if it lives up to it's promise, then I'll eat my words, and say it's cheap. If I though it was 'crap' I'd have the good grace to say so, but in more civilised tones. But that's just me. And as I hinted at, I'd rather buy something, evaluate it, and review rather than trying to obtain it free/illegally/etc.
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quicknotist Special user 888 Posts |
Sorry DocSteve, I wasn't attempting to speak for you and didn't intend to offend.
I was just responding to Bobser's request. I was about right though, eh? ;) Reg |
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Zerububle Elite user Poole 430 Posts |
Thanks Doc for clarification. I don't think many people on here are too interested in MP's opinion as it appears to be full of crap:)
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Anthony Jacquin Inner circle UK 2220 Posts |
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On 2011-06-28 02:28, docsteve wrote: Hi Doc, the first part of the CD was an effort to get the listener to a level playing field from which we could pitch our idea. So we thought it important to justify the carving away of induction, trance, depth, and the conscious unconscious model. For many, examining hypnosis without reference to any of the above is new territory. From my experience many hypnotists have not examined the CB approach in any detail and there is some great research available within that community to shake up your thoughts and test. I appreciate you are well read and schooled in hypnosis so it is not necessarily new to you. The rest of the CD is an introduction to AI and a sketch of it's working model. My suggestion is begin with a dog hallucination and see how you get on. A Doctor giving me toothache is too scary a thought to contemplate. If it has helped you at first launch get into places where your existing technique failed I would hope you have found that of value. If not I am always happy to refund any unsatisfied customer. Unsatisfied people who have not purchased it, I cannot help. I can only point at a therapist. Anthony
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quicknotist Special user 888 Posts |
But it worked!
Or am I missing something here? Quote:
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docsteve Inner circle 1831 Posts |
Hi Ant
I understood that was the case, and as you rightly say, I have been well-schooled! I mention it specifically here for the other 'experts' who may cry foul. On a n=1 study, I am satisfied with the concept. In fact, one of the key things for this lady was that she said she had NEVER experienced toothache, so the feeling was a pure act of imagination. And yes, quicknotist, you are correct in your interpretation. In the craft. SM
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hawaiihypnosis New user Kauai, Hawaii 48 Posts |
Yeah MP can complain about this all day long - it just gives me more newsletter subscribers and site views Another Royle pain in the butt gave me some good exposure by complaining about my stuff.
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Anthony Jacquin Inner circle UK 2220 Posts |
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On 2011-06-28 06:20, docsteve wrote: If she managed to grow two sets of teeth and never experience toothache I would be surprised. Less so if she failed to recall them. Either way you are right. Act of Imagination. Yeah I like it. Good title
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Shrubsole Inner circle Kent, England 2459 Posts |
Ant; A question:
Now it's too late for me as I have learnt the 'induction, trace, depth, etc' model, but what in your opinion is the best for beginners? Is it better to learn the induction, trace model only to have to 'carve away' at it before your new model can be learnt OR to start with your new model and not be hampered by the baggage of the old model? Basically is it a good thing to learn the induction, trace model first for a good general grounding and then take a look at your new approach with fresh eyes and an open mind?
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Shrubsole Inner circle Kent, England 2459 Posts |
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On 2011-06-28 06:32, hawaiihypnosis wrote: Now who could you possible mean? No surprise that him and MP are like two peas in a pod trying to stop anyone else and keep it all for themselves. That train left the station some time ago and will not be making a return journey. Some passengers got left behind.
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Anthony Jacquin Inner circle UK 2220 Posts |
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On 2011-06-28 08:38, Shrubsole wrote: Hi Shrubsole, good question. AI is about how hypnosis works rather than how to present it. You have complete freedom about how you wield it. Applied AI can look the same as the structure outlined in RIP ( I do not recall a 'trance model' but hey) or any other approach. In it's pure form AI proceeds as a series of questions and requests for you to report on your experience. The induction is just another suggestion. The same as any other. If you prefer to put a special status on it you can - sleep being a good example. But it can just as easily be dog. The aim is not trance, the aim is they respond to the suggestion automatically be it imagined sleep or imagined dog or imagined trance or imagined joint. In short yes I think it is good to know how to do everything from approach to sign off in the style of overtly hypnotising with an induction. It looks good, has perfectly scuplted theatrical moments and meets expectations. Just know that whether you are doing AI or not you are doing AI. If you want to drop the major protocols of hypnosis e.g eyes closed, trance, sleep, depth, induction but still use all hypnotic phenomena then AI is your friend. Learn both. Use both. Be One. Best regards, Anthony
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Shrubsole Inner circle Kent, England 2459 Posts |
Yes I can see that learning both would be the best of all worlds: You can still have the theatrics of 'Grand Hypnosis' (my term) but understand better what is going on after learning AI. Also, that after you know how the engine works with AI, you are in a better position when faced with a more difficult subject.
So AI is more a linear journey along a path rather than something clumped together in sections and labelled 'Set pieces', 'Inductions', 'Deepening', etc. that we have to get through? (or chose to go through) Is that along the right lines? (Without giving too much away of course)
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Anthony Jacquin Inner circle UK 2220 Posts |
Exactly.
Anthony
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Jacob Smith Inner circle Columbus, OH 1893 Posts |
Ok everyone, so I got my copy of Ripped Apart about a week ago and have listened to it a few times to truely soak up all the information presented. Ripped Apart as well as the AI Model deliver as expected, the first few chapters on the CD are a in depth look at the various ideas and models that Kev and Ant were reading into to find a model they both could be satisfied with. The intro may be a little slow for those out there who either don't care about how it works or those who have already had quite a bit of reading experience into the subject of hypnosis models, but I thought it was a great way to lead into the discussion.
Alright so as for the acutal AI Model itself, I have yet to actually test it yet on other people, but as for myself it has noticably made my hypnotic responce go up quite a bit which is very nice. The model is definitely the most rational reason for why hypnosis works that I have encountered so far but add in the fact that you can do it in a perfectly waking state without the need for a traditional induction which is my perfered way of performing and you have something incredibly valuable. Im not going to drag on praising the quality of the production or anything like that because to me it is all about the information in a product like this and honestly, if you shell out the money to buy the product then chances are you will be highly satasfied! To close this out and rate the value of the information, I give it a solid ten because it does come through on its promises and it has my mind thinking about the possibilities. Thanks to Ant and Kev for sharing their findings with us! |
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snm Special user 550 Posts |
Magician 336, thanks for the review. Please share your results with us once you've got around to trying the model with other people.
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snm Special user 550 Posts |
Also, if you would be so kind as to share your experiences, as far as your hypnotic response's increasing, that would be great.
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Shrubsole Inner circle Kent, England 2459 Posts |
And you see nothing wrong with your post?
Condescending Insulting Egotistical Ignorant (You call others 'not educated enough', but here you are spouting about something you haven't listened to. How ignorant is that?) (Answer: VERY!) Add to that libellous accusations based on a product YOU DON'T HAVE! Please tell me that you are here for a wind up because if not, then you need to see someone. Seriously!
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