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hefemexy Elite user 434 Posts |
http://gallery.me.com/lionfludd#100770
First attempt, going to work on it further... just messing around first time.
Okay, I give up what was your card?
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Lord Anacho Regular user Kessel-Lo, Belgium 157 Posts |
Sorry friend, I stopped watching after a few seconds. That is the most visible, flashing and obvious Hamman Count I have ever seen. Get this video down, because now it is just exposure.
Sorry if I sound harsh, but you should really look at the video properly. You will see that this cannot pass. The Hamman Count is not challenging technically, it is not hard on the finger flinging, but it is a fiendishly difficult slight to do deceptively. Reread Roberto Giobbi on the count in Card College. I understand that you are messing around first time, but you should take care with what you put on the web. Is this video only visible for us, magicians? If so, no harm done. If it is free to watch for all and sundry... Only put things out that are finished. With well-meant respect, Ciao for now Erik
"The secret impresses no one. The trick you use it for is everything" (Alfred Borden in The Prestige)
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hefemexy Elite user 434 Posts |
Anacho, it's funny you said that because I did this in my saturday performance and none of the 35 ppl came up to me and said I saw that hamman count... I was waiting because like most lay ppl they know the name of the moves we do. Especially since we know the moves we as magicians know what to look for. Don't worry about me taking care of what I put on the net, because my work speaks for itself. I have my professional work and some effects I obtain as a hobby just to try out. But thanks for watching I at least know that I've done what I needed to do...
Maybe if you kept watching instead of stopping after a few seconds you would have seen the rest, I see magicians doing coin work and say man I can see that palm... But funny how lay ppl don't get it so sometimes stop looking like a magician and just either enjoy or don't. I don't put my work on here for the critics I do it simply because I want to. NO disrepect meant, TTYL...
Okay, I give up what was your card?
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Lord Anacho Regular user Kessel-Lo, Belgium 157 Posts |
Truth be told, there is indeed a big difference between the all-seeing eye of the camera and the eyes of an audience. The camera gives equal importance to everything that is in the frame. In a live interaction the audience's gaze can be directed more selectively.
I've seen Harry Lorayne on his fabulous Best-of collection DVD's, brandishing breaks that are glaringly visible. I could park my car in some of his breaks. Yet it flies by the audience. Harry says it himself: "You cannot fool the camera". A camera is a soulless thing, and in a life performance there is the interaction between the minds of the performer and the minds of the audience and I think that one get away with much in a life performance that is visbile in camera take. So, I'm with you on that account. Even so. If the soulless camera captures much more, doesn't that mean that we must take extra caution to ensure that are sleights are as close to 100% as we can get them when performing on camera? If it fools the camera, it will surely fool the audience. Unlike real life performances, people can rewind and review a video and so catch one out on the secret. So, I stand by my remarks, but be assured that I hear you and that I listen respectfully. Ciao for now Erik
"The secret impresses no one. The trick you use it for is everything" (Alfred Borden in The Prestige)
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Mesquita Special user 917 Posts |
I will not enter the merit of the question, but lay people are, in most of the cases, polite and friendly. So, we don't have to wait some people tell us that something is wrong to fix the problems we know we have. And if we wait that probably, if the audience are not kids or teenage, we will never know the truth. That's just my opinion. Best regards.
"Siempre somos tres me acompaña la luna y me sigue mi sombra" René Lavand
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pabloinus Inner circle 1681 Posts |
I like wild cards effects and have many, and I do like Vallarino's version, not so sure yet if $30 for one trick is something that I am willing to pay, saying that I like some of the moves this routine has and I believe you got them right.
On the hamman count, it is a difficult sleight to make it invisible, Vallarino's is very good, no change of speed, nothing, while you did not ask for feedback, I will also suggest more practice on the count, everything else is great. Pablo |
hefemexy Elite user 434 Posts |
My point as to the audeince coming up and not mentioning the count is that they never know... Even if they know something just happened they still don't know if the artist doesn't show that something happened. Even when I looked at Vallarino doing it for the first time, I noticed something happened even though I didn't know what happened, so even if the audience says wait he did something just now it doesn't matter as long as they don't see exposure. I do my count on purpose like that for a reason.... So even if ppl don't come up and say hey I saw that it doesn't matter. So many ppl on the Café here speak about what shouldn't happen, maybe more should actually see what it does for live actual breathing ppl seated in front of them. The only ppl that care that the count is so obisvious is magicians, so when I go to compete for a magicians competion then I'll take more care to hide the count. Remember ppl don't care what you know until they know that you care. While I do appreciate you're offer for advise, I sometimes forget that I should state prior to posting that I'm not interested in what others may think I could do to improve.. unless I know you and your work personally ppl who know me know that I'm humble and I take advice well and I implament thoughts and theories. It's just too many ppl have to much to offer and I don't like my threads turned into a "Well I think" thread.
Okay, I give up what was your card?
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Lord Anacho Regular user Kessel-Lo, Belgium 157 Posts |
Here I strongly disagree.
People will indeed not come up to you and say, I saw that Hamman count, because they have no idea what a Hamman count is. They might -if politeness doesn't prevent them- come up and say,"You did something fishy there, I don't know what, but that's when you did it". Harry Lorayne again: "If people know something has just happened, even if they didn't spot it, that's just as bad as when they actually saw it happen". Even if your sleight is technically perfect, if you tense up for instance, people know that you did something. That destroys the illusion of magic in my book. Great magic is when you are seen to do apparently nothing, yet miracles happen all around you. Not that I am anywhere near that lofty goal, mind you. Ciao for now Erik
"The secret impresses no one. The trick you use it for is everything" (Alfred Borden in The Prestige)
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hefemexy Elite user 434 Posts |
Maybe you should try to come up with what you want it to be and not worry so much about what Harry Lorayne said or what Jesus said. It doesn't matter to me if someone knows something just happened, as long as my audience is enjoying themselves and I'm pretty sure they know it's not wizardy so of course somethings happening. As long as my clients continue booking me and it's repeat then let them think or feel what they want... Please show me your work Anacho before you speak of mine. You didn't even look at the video you said you stopped after one move... Funny all I got to say Funny. I would rather you just sit behind your computer and pretend to others than speak on my thread
Ciao forever!!!
Okay, I give up what was your card?
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ViolinKing Veteran user a loyal user has no more than 307 Posts |
This trick is awesome!! I'm so thrilled watching it, and would love to learn how to do it. (I'm unable at this time to purchase card college, but I would be interested in any packet trick that has similar moves and deals with blank cards being printed.)
I've also seen Tommy Wonder do something where he changed all the cards to a chosen card, that was astounding. @ Erik: "if you tense up for instance, people know that you did something. That destroys the illusion" That is a high target to shoot for, but when you pull it off its wonderful. |
Bill Wilson Special user 536 Posts |
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On 2011-05-31 02:48, Lord Anacho wrote: Hefemexy, I don't know what you're upset about. Maybe reread what Erik is saying here, makes complete sense to me. |
hefemexy Elite user 434 Posts |
I'm not upset wandboy, trust me someone off a computer can not get me upset, I have read what he wrote and choose not to any more. Thanks anyway... but as he said he didn't even watch the video and even if he did. I'm not concerened about what comments someone may have unless it is progression.
Okay, I give up what was your card?
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Russell Davidson Inner circle Hampshire, England 1108 Posts |
Not a bad performance. You seem to be almost there with the routine.
But your count does need a little attention. The camera is harsh but that aside if you watch it you'll notice that after the queen is shown you're left hand totally changes it's position from where it was before. Although nothing can be seen it's unnatural to do that and looks suspect. Pausing on the queen is ok I think. After all, it's a different card that justifies focusing on more than the others, but your count must go on after with the hands in the same position as they were before. Other than that, it's all good. |
Ray Chelt Special user Changing the world with my 988 Posts |
Didn't stop watching after a few seconds and kept with the routine which on the whole looked smooth and pretty magical.
Nice job. Not so much directed at you but I'd ponder the length of this routine. There comes a point where I'd start getting interested in the backs of some of the cards and I'm not sure some of the moves ( again not down to you) sell me on the cards being legit. The count needs work though--it did look as though you were counting 5 cards twice. But all in all in terms of the skill and smoothness on show I liked the pacing and clarity of the moves you did. |
pabloinus Inner circle 1681 Posts |
Hefemexy, what and who perform the music that you use as background?
Pablo |
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