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Dannydoyle
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Yea one where you just wander around with no real life experience and take things you like while shooting your mouth off with absolutely no accountability. It is anarchy run amuck.
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Y'all can debate whether or not these people should have been arrested.

I'm saying the officers who body slammed these people should be arrested and charged with battery.

I hope they don't body slam the 8 year old on a school field trip who has to pee and gets his #ss kicked by the cops for doing the pee pee dance.
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On 2011-05-31 21:05, RobertSmith wrote:
Y'all can debate whether or not these people should have been arrested.

I'm saying the officers who body slammed these people should be arrested and charged with battery.

I hope they don't body slam the 8 year old on a school field trip who has to pee and gets his #ss kicked by the cops for doing the pee pee dance.


Even without the pee pee dance, most class trips do infinitely more to disrupt the "tranquil" environment than any of these dancers.
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

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I think most who object to these dancers are upset that the police had to waste their time with something so ridiculous, but it's the ridiculous law that lead to them wasting everyone's time.
The dancers simply showcased how ridiculous the police, and the laws really are being. Pointing out how ridiculous you, or something you support, really is can make some lash out. I think we've seen plenty of that on these forums.
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

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The law isn't ridiculous, your misrepresentation of reality is. This was a protest, not "just" dancing. Protesting on national monuments not allowed. Do it, go to jail. But then that is what they wanted. They get it... You don't. THAT is ridiculous! Smile
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The law isn't ridiculous, your misrepresentation of reality is. This was a protest, not "just" dancing. Protesting on national monuments not allowed. Do it, go to jail. But then that is what they wanted. They get it... You don't. THAT is ridiculous! Smile


I actually understand had they done it on the steps of the monument they would not have been arrested.
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A better use of police resources would be having gdw arrested for making me agree with Tom Cutts on something.

Interpol are apparently too busy with terrorists, mass murderers, child pornographers/rapists and fraudsters who scam millions of people out of the dollars they scrape by on.

Luckily all those problems will disappear when privatisation is implemented in GDWville.
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Where did I say it was not a protest?
Are you implying that were it not done in protest they would not have been arrested?
That is were they "just" dancing there would not have been any arrests?
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

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The law isn't ridiculous, your misrepresentation of reality is. This was a protest, not "just" dancing. Protesting on national monuments not allowed. Do it, go to jail. But then that is what they wanted. They get it... You don't. THAT is ridiculous! Smile


I actually understand had they done it on the steps of the monument they would not have been arrested.


I don't know about at the Jefferson memorial, but at the Lincoln memorial, the steps are also off limits:

http://dailycaller.com/2011/02/22/intern......-permit/
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

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I won't forget you Robert.
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Before anyone attempts to "call" me on it, apparently I need to be VERY specific or people will make up their own ideas of what I said, I'm aware "Abe" was ticked for essentially busking without a license, not for giving the speech on the steps. I never said he was. He was told he was not allowed to recite the speech there without a permit, and that was ALL I was saying.
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."

I won't forget you Robert.
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I'm still stunned do many here support the regulation of free speech.

Any who, on permits:
http://imeanreally-im-mto.blogspot.com/2......its.html
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."

I won't forget you Robert.
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"Sometimes a law is just on its face and unjust in its application. For instance, I have been arrested on a charge of parading without a permit. Now, there is nothing wrong in having an ordinance which requires a permit for a parade. But such an ordinance becomes unjust when it is used to maintain segregation and to deny citizens the First-Amendment privilege of peaceful assembly and protest.

I hope you are able to see the distinction I am trying to point out. In no sense do I advocate evading or defying the law, as would the rabid segregationist. That would lead to anarchy. One who breaks an unjust law must do so openly, lovingly, and with a willingness to accept the penalty. I submit that an individual who breaks a law that conscience tells him is unjust, and who willingly accepts the penalty of imprisonment in order to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the highest respect for law. order to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the highest respect for law. over its injustice, is in reality expressing the highest respect for law."
MLK Jr.
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"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."

I won't forget you Robert.
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Does anyone know if MLK Jr had a permit for his speech on the steps of the Lincoln memorial?
I can't find mention of it.
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."

I won't forget you Robert.
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I'm sure Medea had no permit. I think the larger point is that you shouldn't need permission to dance.

BTW ever dance in a bar when you weren't supposed to? (It's against the law in NYC if the bar doesn't have a cabaret license. At least it was in the days that I went into bars).
Do you think such people should be arrested, handcuffed, and thrown to the floor?

The whole response was idiotic, and only served to confirm the bias of the dancers in the first place.

I wouldn't want to be cop in that situation, clearly carrying out orders from on high not to allow dancing. But then I wouldn't want to be a cop at all. At some point you have to be able to say, "Why am I enforcing this stupid law? Why are the resources of the people being used here instead of collaring the real criminals. Who am I really here for? Later for that."
But I understand we all have families to feed. But I see most here have gotten out of the cop life.

And he11 has frozen over as I agree with RobertSmith.
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And he11 has frozen over as I agree with RobertSmith.


Getting chilly are we? ;-)
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I'm still stunned do many here support the regulation of free speech.

Any who, on permits:
http://imeanreally-im-mto.blogspot.com/2......its.html


Free speech is regulated all the time. Try yelling fire in a crowded movie house. Though nobody seems to care when I yell movie in a crowded fire house. Hate speech, fighting words, dude free speech is regulated all the time. You simply are not bright enough to see it.
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I'm still stunned do many here support the regulation of free speech.

Any who, on permits:
http://imeanreally-im-mto.blogspot.com/2......its.html


Free speech is regulated all the time. Try yelling fire in a crowded movie house. Though nobody seems to care when I yell movie in a crowded fire house. Hate speech, fighting words, dude free speech is regulated all the time. You simply are not bright enough to see it.


But again, we have to ask what the legitimate limits of free speech are. The "yelling fire" example is a good one because it is easy to see that the threat to the lives of others is greater than the benefit of the shout. The other canonical examples: hate speech and libel are much more contentious.

Is the harm of hate speech sufficient to warrant its suppression? In many cases I think so, but it is not a simple and straightforward case to make.

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I'm still stunned do many here support the regulation of free speech.

Any who, on permits:
http://imeanreally-im-mto.blogspot.com/2......its.html


Free speech is regulated all the time. Try yelling fire in a crowded movie house. Though nobody seems to care when I yell movie in a crowded fire house. Hate speech, fighting words, dude free speech is regulated all the time. You simply are not bright enough to see it.


Danny, I DO see it, that's what we have been talking about. Were have I said it was not regulated. To say that I don't see it has got to be one of the stupidest things anyone has posted.
My point was just that I'm surprised so many support it.

As for the fire/movie theater example, I repeat, yet again, NOT the issue as it is PRIVATE PROPERTY! And it stemmed from a ruling on censoring anti war/draft speech, of all things. Yes, It was used as justification to censor anti war/anti draft speech. What a country. Gotta love it (or leave it, if they let you, and you pay them.)
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."

I won't forget you Robert.
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Sorry Glenn kiddo, but you hold all top 10 positions for stupidist thing ever posted. All time and as a matter of fact you have 15 of the top 20. You don't see ANYTHING that doesn't put forth your idiotic idea of anarchy.

You so willingly shoot your mouth off about a country you don't even live in and CERTAINLY have proven don't understand. Why is it again you just don't get out of your terrible situation? I guess you must have tons of money because you know how to run every company, you know how to run every government. You should be able to start your own Glenntopia and show the world how perfect you are and your ideals are.

Or maybe you would be forced to leave mommies basement and step into the real world for that.
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On 2011-05-31 21:49, Tom Cutts wrote:
The law isn't ridiculous, your misrepresentation of reality is. This was a protest, not "just" dancing. Protesting on national monuments not allowed. Do it, go to jail. But then that is what they wanted. They get it... You don't. THAT is ridiculous! Smile

The law they were protesting was specifically about dancing. It's a stupid law. See the OP's original post, second link:

"In papers filed by Alexandria attorney Alan Gura, she argued that the low-key dancing was protected free speech, surely allowed at the feet of Thomas Jefferson, of all places.
The suit also noted that routine groups of noisy school kids disrupt the quiet mood of the Jefferson far more than silent dancing.
The courts didn’t buy it.
They agreed with the U.S. Park Service that it has a duty to maintain “decorum” at the nation’s monuments and that any demonstrations, whether one person or many, are not allowed inside the nation’s memorials.
This week, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia firmly agreed.
It said that “expressive dancing falls within the spectrum of prohibited activities” and that “the Park Service has a substantial interest in promoting a tranquil environment at our national memorials.” "
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