On 2011-05-31 21:15, Mr. Mystoffelees wrote:

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On 2011-05-31 19:26, LobowolfXXX wrote:

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On 2011-05-31 18:54, Mr. Mystoffelees wrote:
Well, first, I do not support the police having carte blanche to require small groups of people to "disperse" whenever they feel the urge to flex their power. This was DANCING and not even remotely suggestive dancing. So, to condone this means to condone the right of the police to stop frisbee tossing, walking down the street hand in hand, a small discussion group, ANYTHING THEY DECIDE is annoying to them. THAT is a police state!

I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that you've never lived in what would more conventionally be called a police state. I have a couple of friends who escaped Ceausescu's Romania, and another one or two people I know who have received Convention Against Torture (similar to political asylum) status and as such, are allowed to live in the United States...don't know where you live, but if I could set something up, would you be willing to explain to them in person how this dancing story is evidence that we're practically living in a "police state" in 21st century America? I'm not a fan of reality television, but I think that watching *that* conversation would be highly entertaining. I might sell tickets.

Sarcasm does not flatter you, Lobo, you are not good at it. But, you are correct, I have never "lived" in a police state. Oddly, I was at TS in '89, and happened to be in Moscow on a long hot day in August of '91. Nothing to be gained in a luffing duel to find out which of us is more naive, we just see it in different ways.

Some people don't smell smoke until the building is burned down around them. Others smell smoke where it doesn't exist. Room enough for both, don't you think? Certainly I will admit I have always been affected by "and then they came for me". That fact notwithstanding, I stand by what I said. To me the police response was stupid, overblown and unnecessary. Thank God someone in the crowd didn't have a harmonica...

On 2011-05-31 22:51, gdw wrote:
Dreadnought, you keep repeating that as if it is contradicting anything I said. You said you read what I wrote, but clearly you must have been making up your own words.

As for backwater, as I've said before, you mean a company that gets 90% of it's income from government contracts? Yeah, that's EXACTLY what would happen in a free market withOUT a government.

On 2011-05-31 21:15, Mr. Mystoffelees wrote:
Nothing to be gained in a luffing duel to find out which of us is more naive, we just see it in different ways.

Some people don't smell smoke until the building is burned down around them. Others smell smoke where it doesn't exist. Room enough for both, don't you think? Certainly I will admit I have always been affected by "and then they came for me". That fact notwithstanding, I stand by what I said. To me the police response was stupid, overblown and unnecessary. Thank God someone in the crowd didn't have a harmonica...

On 2011-05-31 23:21, gdw wrote:
Egypt, etc.

On 2011-05-31 21:15, Mr. Mystoffelees wrote:

Sarcasm does not flatter you, Lobo, you are not good at it.

LobowolfXXX wrote:
I'm actually very good at sarcasm (and other forms of irony, btw); when I make a post that's not intended to be taken at face value, I'll point it out and you'll see.

On 2011-05-31 23:52, acesover wrote:

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On 2011-05-31 18:55, gdw wrote:
Aces, I don't dislike the American People at all. My mother was born in america.
Your personalizing of this is a complete misunderstanding, and completely misses the point.

As for me, yes, I have a job, and a family, and to plenty to, in my opinion, make the world a better place.

Does your family share your views of "The United States of America"? Do they read your posts here?

Please don't tell me I am personalizing "this". All one has to do is go back and read your posts about The Unitetd States on this forum and how you feel about it to know I am not missing any point. So don't even go there.

I am not exactly sure what the above phrase means in your above post "and to plenty to." Unless it is just a typing error which I make plenty of.

On 2011-06-01 00:01, acesover wrote:

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On 2011-05-31 18:55, gdw wrote:
Aces, I don't dislike the American People at all. My mother was born in america.
Your personalizing of this is a complete misunderstanding, and completely misses the point.

As for me, yes, I have a job, and a family, and to plenty to, in my opinion, make the world a better place.

Rereading your post I see where you hedeged your bets by saying you do not dislike american people at all. What is it you dislike then? Is it their ideals? The American way of life? The way we treat the rest of the world? Do you feel we do not give away enough of our money? I have yet to read anything you have written that suggests that you like anything we Americans do or stand for.

On 2011-06-01 00:42, Dreadnought wrote:

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On 2011-05-31 22:51, gdw wrote:
Dreadnought, you keep repeating that as if it is contradicting anything I said. You said you read what I wrote, but clearly you must have been making up your own words.

As for backwater, as I've said before, you mean a company that gets 90% of it's income from government contracts? Yeah, that's EXACTLY what would happen in a free market withOUT a government.

Again, your diatribe makes absolutely no sense. You can't enter property or a dwelling with the intent to committ a felony, i.e taking a car, even if it is yours. In the United States that is burglary, in Canada, I'm sure with the metric conversion that is perfectly legal.

Oh I'm sorry, rather than Black Water, I would bring up the other security services that could and do far worst harm, someone who is only concerned with the jack wagon signing their paycheck. But I see where you don't want a government. Now, I understand, I forgot to carry the 1 in the whole conversion thing. Thanks for the heads up

On 2011-06-01 00:49, critter wrote:

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On 2011-05-31 23:21, gdw wrote:
Egypt, etc.

I just did a spit take. I'm sure a demonstration would go over well in a Nazi concentration camp or with the death squads in Southeast Asia. Maybe they can have a drum circle in Darfur. That'll solve everything.

If you really can't understand that, and all you can do is keep parroting "it's against the law," then you represent nearly everything that is wrong police.

On 2011-06-01 12:30, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
Danny, I don't think gdw is cluess. He is dogmatic, but that's hardly a hangin' offense.

John

On 2011-06-01 07:54, gdw wrote:

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On 2011-06-01 00:01, acesover wrote:

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On 2011-05-31 18:55, gdw wrote:
Aces, I don't dislike the American People at all. My mother was born in america.
Your personalizing of this is a complete misunderstanding, and completely misses the point.

As for me, yes, I have a job, and a family, and to plenty to, in my opinion, make the world a better place.

Rereading your post I see where you hedeged your bets by saying you do not dislike american people at all. What is it you dislike then? Is it their ideals? The American way of life? The way we treat the rest of the world? Do you feel we do not give away enough of our money? I have yet to read anything you have written that suggests that you like anything we Americans do or stand for.

Acesover, I really do not have a problem with (most, I'm sure there are some I would not like) american people. As for american ideals, though I wouldn't say all americans have the same ideals, I think the constitution had a lot of great ideas. Far from a perfect document, and I don't mean in the "living document" sense that it should be changed, but in the Spooner sense that it either allowed the government to become what it is, or was powerless to sop it.

On 2011-06-01 12:30, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
Danny, I don't think gdw is cluess. He is dogmatic, but that's hardly a hangin' offense.

John