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Cheety Regular user Melbourne 191 Posts |
Ok guys I think this is the holy grail of mentalism...you might not agree...anyways...check out this video...Derren brown interviewed by Johnathan ross..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_d2hfWKnGGk&feature=related you prolly have seen this before..here Derren reveals a word that Jonathan "just thinks" of...now if he used any pre show, then he wouldn't be able to say things like, "we haven't set anything up", "change your mind a few times"..!!!!! in some interviews, the interviewer even says "I just thought of it RIGHT NOW"... As mentalists when we use pre show, we can use a certain amount of "Double talk" ,but here he is very specific... Derren does this trick in most of his interviews..He asks someone to think of ANYTHING..a childhood memory, a name , place, etc....then he just reveals it.. as a mentalist if you analyze the video , would you say that its pre show? OR am I the only one who is totally amazed by this effect?? So guys where can I learn an effect that is similar to this? (things that don't require stuff like Cerebro solo)
Mostly Harmless ^_^
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Prager Inner circle e-Mentalism.com 1858 Posts |
Kennedy showed me how to achieve that.
He has a manuscript called Challenge.
Jose Prager
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Deano88 Veteran user Lincolnshire UK 377 Posts |
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On 2011-06-02 13:50, J. Prager wrote: Any link to that mauscript at all Thanks Dean |
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entermagic Special user 810 Posts |
I see just 2 things mixed together: Psychological force + Fishing.
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Deano88 Veteran user Lincolnshire UK 377 Posts |
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On 2011-06-02 19:11, entermagic wrote: Theres more to it than that, that's too risky to do in that setting and that's not Derren, there are more fundamental methods at play here I imagine Dean |
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entermagic Special user 810 Posts |
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On 2011-06-02 19:21, Deano88 wrote: I cannot write everything on public forum. MP |
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Prager Inner circle e-Mentalism.com 1858 Posts |
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On 2011-06-02 19:11, entermagic wrote: Not close at all. Get Kennedy's Whisper and I think he will send you Challenge. Challenge is the exact method used by Derren.
Jose Prager
The man who knows how to amuse and mystify www.e-mentalism.com Secret products for mentalists. |
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entermagic Special user 810 Posts |
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On 2011-06-02 19:25, J. Prager wrote: :) There are many methods to accoplish the same goal. You can start also from contact mind reading, etc. So, I am able to do the same using just 2 techniques. MP |
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Jim-Callahan V.I.P. 5018 Posts |
What is wrong with you guys?
No ethics, no value for what others have created. I really cannot stand what some of you are. Y'all remind me of Criss Angel. Jim
“I can make Satan’s devils dance like fine gentlemen across the stage of reality”.
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Lost in Thought Veteran user 343 Posts |
This reminds me of an analogy I'm pretty fond of:
A hunter-gatherer tribe went out every day, fished the same fishing grounds and hunted the same hunting grounds. The tribe thrived, and their numbers expanded. Within a few years, the tribe became so large that the numbers of fish and beast grew scant. In desperation, the tribe consulted the tribal shaman. He asked for them to bring him one of the dried animal skins. He mixed a brew of animal blood and dye, dipped the crumpled skin into the mixture, and hung it up to dry. When the skin had dried it was covered with a patchwork of lines, scrawled crazily across the surface. The shaman handed the dyed skin to the lead hunter, offering it as a map to abundant hunting grounds. The hunters took the map, and found fresh game wherever it took them. In truth, the hunters had exhausted their food supply by constantly looking for it in the same places that they always had. By thinking outside of their comfortable preconceptions, by using lateral thought, they could expand beyond their limitations. The role of the magician has always been one of lateral thinking. Everything on that video is perfectly achievable using a variety of known methods, but that's not the point. There's no benefit in chasing someone else's shadow. Magic is an extremely young and undeveloped art in most practical respects, and there are whole worlds out there to explore. |
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Jim-Callahan V.I.P. 5018 Posts |
Looks like the Twatters
(Word I created to describe new mentalists who know not yet what they think they do). have decided not to respond. Did notice they were online and now go missing when they are confronted with their leavings on the carpet. I have decided that mentalism is lacking in words that I need and have decided to add to the vernacular of mentalism with my own. Wanko’s has already been added. So no explanation of that term is necessary for you can find it with the search function of the Café. Jim
“I can make Satan’s devils dance like fine gentlemen across the stage of reality”.
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cpbartak Special user Mooresville, NC 941 Posts |
1) why are we discussing methods in the public forum? Can we please move this to inner thoughts?
2) The idea behind Challenge is nothing new, its just Kennedy's version of the principle at work 3) Do any of you seriously think that simply revealing a word someone thought of is the holy grail of mentalism? a) Last I checked, the closest thing I can think of to the holy grail is a well developed character and presentation that fits that character, not an effect. b) to the extent that an effect can be the holy grail, I'd much prefer something more meaningful to the spectator than a random word revelation.
Some people hear voices.. Some see invisible people.. Others have no imagination whatsoever.
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Jim-Callahan V.I.P. 5018 Posts |
Would hasten to add that I am a great fan of Lewis Carol & H.P. Lovecraft.
Other creators of evocative text and ideas. cpbartak, great post. Jim
“I can make Satan’s devils dance like fine gentlemen across the stage of reality”.
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Amirá Inner circle MentalismCenter.com 5131 Posts |
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On 2011-06-02 21:11, cpbartak wrote: I already ask that my friend, buy MY POST was deleted by the mods because apperently "preshow" and "double talk" doesn't mean nothing to any layman. A really funny situation.
Pablo
Performer and Author Mentalism Center: The best online space to get quality Mentalism www.mentalismcenter.com Arkanosophy: The Boutique for Mystery Performers www.arkanosophy.com |
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Ben Harris V.I.P. The Land Down Under 2126 Posts |
Hey Jim,
"Twatter" could also be an adult version of Twitter. Both are perfectly named products! Twits and Twats! Benny
+Inventor of the world famous Floating Match+
+Author: Machinations (Vanishing Inc, 2020)+ EVERYTHING BEN HARRIS |
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Jim-Callahan V.I.P. 5018 Posts |
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On 2011-06-02 21:29, Ben Harris wrote: Ben, I know we have been at odds but I gotta say your post made me smile. (Would be a dissapointment to myself if I did not admitt it). Thanks, Jim
“I can make Satan’s devils dance like fine gentlemen across the stage of reality”.
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Tony Miller Loyal user 232 Posts |
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On 2011-06-02 19:31, Jim-Callahan wrote: Zing!
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Tony Miller Loyal user 232 Posts |
A real mentalist would have read the script and known not to open the holy grail because of it's face melting awsomeness.
*NOTE* For the purposes of this thread reading a script is not the same as pre-show work and should not be considered a form of exposure, unless you are naked when reading said script.
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cpbartak Special user Mooresville, NC 941 Posts |
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I already ask that my friend, buy MY POST was deleted by the mods because apperently "preshow" and "double talk" doesn't mean nothing to any layman. Got to love the Café--deleting posts questioning exposure and leaving exposing posts. Love the reasoning, too. Laymen haven't heard of a s***i either. But there's this little thing called the internet that can tell you all you want to know about it within about two or three minutes if you know the right term to enter into a search.
Some people hear voices.. Some see invisible people.. Others have no imagination whatsoever.
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Jim-Callahan V.I.P. 5018 Posts |
But the benefit is that these guys might now be
considered Twatters. (Not that that is a bad thing). They have done something wrong in my opinion and I would never sell one of my products to them or offer help because of what they have posted. They are harming another performers work/performance peice. I would never trust them with mine as a result. That is the value of such postings one learns who one can trust. Jim
“I can make Satan’s devils dance like fine gentlemen across the stage of reality”.
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