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On 2011-06-07 01:20, Mr. Pitts wrote:
I find it interesting because magic and vent inherently involve 'cheating'.


The big difference, and the reason I prefer vent despite almost 50 years in magic, is that vent is illusion without deception.

Bob


David and Bob;

I am experimenting in a new field and am striving to learn the craft and stretch my creativity by developing my own presentation; at the same time, I don’t want to unintentionally degrade the integrity of the art of ventriloquism.

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If you've seen Jay Johnson's Two And Only - the program opens with an announcement that goes into a long explanation that all sounds created on stage are done live - then closes with "This has been a recording." Makes me laugh every time.

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On 2011-06-07 01:20, Mr. Pitts wrote:
I find it interesting because magic and vent inherently involve 'cheating'.


Yeah, but I don't think either counts as "cheating," because you have established a contract with your audience, who knows that both offer only the illusion of reality and, with that understanding established at the first, the audience can sit back and watch and listen. Using a recording COULD be cheating if your audience doesn't realize that's what's happening. Then, too, what do you call your act? Lip Syncing? I thought that went out in the late fifties with Jerry Lewis...although Milli Vanilli tried to revive it some years back. Smile

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On 2011-06-07 01:20, Mr. Pitts wrote:
I find it interesting because magic and vent inherently involve 'cheating'.


Yeah, but I don't think either counts as "cheating," because you have established a contract with your audience,

Using a recording COULD be cheating if your audience doesn't realize that's what's happening.
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Philip;

So if you use the Ax Trax Magic Drawing Board’s recording that is obviously a recording because the guy holding the board is standing there with his hand cupping his ear listening, and the audience knows full well it’s a recording, are you saying it’s Ok for a ventriloquist to perform it?

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Okay, I've tried not to weigh in on the Ax Trax stuff, but.....personally, I've never liked the whole idea from the start.
Someone mentioned it was intended for magicians that want to add vent to their act, but are they really adding it if they are using a recording instead of actually doing it?
Personally, I can't see any good reason for using such tapes, you are either doing vent or you are not, using the tapes is just faking it.
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Just in case you refer to my post - I didn't say it was intended for magicians who wanted to add vent to their act - I said Ax Trax were created for magicians who wanted to ADD THE PROP to their act. Major difference. Vent is vent - a recording is a recording.

I'm with you, I don't really care for it. Then again, I hate the "Vanishing Bandana" for the same reason. When you use a recording - YOU aren't entertaining the audience. You are doing a routine that (possibly) entertains the audience.

Put a good ventriloquist on the show with someone using Ax Trax and there is no comparison. The vent creates the illusion of life, the Ax Trax performer does a puppet routine.

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Buzz...nope. I was referring to record pantomime. One could probably build an act around a children's talking doll. Pull the ring, and respond to whatever comes from the critter. I understand why the AxTrax are offered, and don't find offense in this (Especially when you consider the quality of Axtell products and all the good work Axtell has done for the craft). A prerecorded track is good for an amateur performance by a non-vent at the church social...but any track is useful only once, I think, with the same audience. So...nothing wrong with offering a pre-recorded piece. It's very good business....just not very good show business.

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Philip,

Thanks for the clarification; I had no intention of using the Ax Trax, I was interested in fully understanding the point you were making
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Okay, I've tried not to weigh in on the Ax Trax stuff, but.....personally, I've never liked the whole idea from the start.
Someone mentioned it was intended for magicians that want to add vent to their act, but are they really adding it if they are using a recording instead of actually doing it?
Personally, I can't see any good reason for using such tapes, you are either doing vent or you are not, using the tapes is just faking it.


Please weigh in on any subject posted, it is all good reading.

I neither hate it nor use it even though I purchased the Trax before knowing the conditions of using it.

I think the full discussion of the reason it is made available and in what circumstances it is used is an education to everyone interested in knowing about the product.

The results is they will purchase the Trax, knowing the limitations, or they will not purchase for the reasons posted.
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I am posting this today to update this thread.

Chico package came in today, I have not viewed the three DVD’s that comes with it; I will view it today and post to the thread.
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I completely agree with the vents that using recordings is a no-no (unless you're Winch and want to sing a duet with Jerry). I suspect that Ax Trax work for performers who don't want to create their own routines. And there is very little to praise about those performers. That said, there is a very amusing clip on the Axtell website with a magician doing a routine with the animatronic Toucan. Clearly, this was a custom routine which the performer created and the Axtell folks helped him to animate and voice. Great for that performer (a magician!), but not something a vent would ever use.

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I just finished watching the performance video of Chico; at first I did not know what to make of it, it didn't look like anything I wanted to do, as I kept watching it, it grew on me.

I think I can make this work, and personalize it to fit my style, when Bill Abbott performed, he did a great job of making Chico come to life.


With some work on my part, I can make this a very good routine to perform with all audiences

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Okay, curiosity finally got the best of me and I did a search for this Chico" thing - though when I saw the price, I was guaranteed my curiosity wasn't going to extend into buying one....
But in my search, I found another thread about it here at the Café called;
"Chico the Monkey - Is it really that funny?"
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......&start=0
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On 2011-06-09 23:20, blueshawk1 wrote:
Okay, curiosity finally got the best of me and I did a search for this Chico" thing - though when I saw the price, I was guaranteed my curiosity wasn't going to extend into buying one....
But in my search, I found another thread about it here at the Café called;
"Chico the Monkey - Is it really that funny?"
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......&start=0


I must agree, it’s a lot of money for the routine; I thought hard about that and decided it is the fact that Bill has perfected a character over a fifteen year period and has shared the concept, I am paying for the complete concept.

blueshawk, looking at the other thread, I had the same first impression of it not being funny; I studied it and later saw the merits of it. If I were to analyze it, it looks like Bill Abbott went to the 99 cent store to get the supplies for the routine, the actual cost of the props are not that much.

I am so new at performing the magic part of the children’s show, and still want to be known for being a puppet and figure performer, not a just a magic product demonstrator, where I pull out a trick show it, put it away and get the next trick to show. Chico is a puppet and a proven routine, it is a silent puppet like Bill Del Mar uses with a frog.Bill Del Mar is also willing to share how he performs the” Tape Over The Mouth” routine… for $500.00 and I think that’s also worth it.

I have not performed that many shows to pay for everything I purchases which will take quite awhile, If ever. I am learning the craft, I am purchasing products that are quality and I am having fun learning to perfect the routine and I enjoy playing with them. The cost of the routine was secondary, as I believe that it is no different than paying a writer to write a script for me.
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I tried to Vent Chico and didn’t like the results at all; in the instructional video it has Chico whispering in the ear of the performer; I don’t like that either; in my practice video I don’t look natural bending over to listen to Chico.

I am attempting to practice using the expressions and movements of the puppet to replace whispering the answers in my ear.

This is a new and exciting challenge for me; and I am critiquing my sessions using the video camera that Tom Dave and Philip made me buy
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On 2011-06-11 23:24, Howie Diddot wrote:
the video camera that Tom Dave and Philip made me buy


And now aren't you glad we did?
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Yep. Guess we'd better own it. He's gonna keep sayin' it. Let's work on what else we can make him buy and just give to us. Smile

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On 2011-06-12 10:21, Servante wrote:

Let's work on what else we can make him buy

-Philip


Philip,you didn’t word the sentence correctly; it needs a little re structuring.

Correctly written, It should read,

"Let's work on what else we can make him buy and give us grief about"



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Thanks, Buzz! (Like I need yet ANOTHER editor! Smile )

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It's not me, Dan wrote it, but anytime you do need an editor, feel free to PM me....LOL
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